Static Hop To Back Wheel

[Matt Vandart]

Right I am having trouble getting the bike up on to the back wheel without a kick.

Imagine:

You are on a rocky ledge which is too lumpy to kick or your going over the bars and eating shit.

Your front wheel is on the edge that you are going to gap from.

You need to swap your front wheel with your back so that it is on the edge in preparation for take off.

WITHOUT KICKING THE PEDALS.

Please explain cos I keep going backwards

[N.Wood]

A wheelswap/wheel replace/pigeon? Or are you talking with both wheels level?

[trialsmax04]

Practice throwing the bike forward? As if you had done an up to front?

[forteh]

Assuming this is on an inclined surface...

You mean like a giant boon from both wheels to one? Get your weight over the bars, use preload in the front tyre and really throw your shoulders up and forwards, its like doing a pigeon but more forward momentum. Failing that pop it up onto the back wheel, hope the back brake holds and boon it up in little steps

I sometimes struggle booning from 2wheels to one because Im a short arse, high bars* and a light bike** help alot!

*41"

**8.9kg

[Mr Motivator]

Takes a lot of energy to do a boon like that.

Best way to get up on the back wheel if you can't move your back wheel at all would be to gently throw your weight back while pushing on the pedal with your foot lightly, so the wheel doesn't actually rotate or move, you just kind of rotate the bike into a vertical position. Hard to explain. Then you can boon about on the back wheel to get it where you want, rather than boon-swap.

Edit: All depends on the terrain, and angle of the surface your on really.

Edited November 4, 2010 by Mr Motivator

[forteh]

Oh and as you throw your weight upwards take the back brake off, this will allow the rear tyre to roll if you dont get it completely airbourne; I use the same technique with pigeons, never use the back brake unless I have to

edit: sneaky edit from hoon to boon there!

Edited November 4, 2010 by forteh

[Mark W]

Concentrate on getting the bike to go up, rather than forward. If you explode up a lot, you'll go higher and it makes it easier to reposition the bike. You can still use a little pedal pressure, but it means it's used to propel you forwards, rather than pushing your back wheel down.

[dannytrialskid]

Look at this video at 12:40 do you mean that/

[forteh]

Look at this video at 12:40 do you mean that/

Surely thats a static hook, I think matt is wanting to achieve that same motion from 2 wheels almost horizontal without pedalling.

[dannytrialskid]

Surely thats a static hook, I think matt is wanting to achieve that same motion from 2 wheels almost horizontal without pedalling.

Oohh. My bad. Same sort of body movement though right? :/

[Mark W]

Not really - that move's more about explosive power upwards, and learning how to flex your bike properly to get the spring up. Check out how much his forks flex when he preloads...

[Matt Vandart]

Surely thats a static hook, I think matt is wanting to achieve that same motion from 2 wheels almost horizontal without pedalling.

This

[N.Wood]

Its kinda a knack and timing thing. When you get good at it you can have an object between your wheels under your bb and go to rear on it without pedalling.

[dannytrialskid]

Matt find a video of it and post it here.

[Matt Vandart]

Its kinda a knack and timing thing. When you get good at it you can have an object between your wheels under your bb and go to rear on it without pedalling.

and this.....

Where is the standard answer Mr Wood i.e ride more natural

[Mark W]

He means this sorta thing Danny.

[dannytrialskid]

Ooohh. I like your demonstration there Mark

[Mikee]

Like this at 9-10 seconds in from on top of the flat rock?

Edited November 4, 2010 by Mikee

[Matt Vandart]

I think Janine deos it at 1:30.

LOL at yer pic Mark.

Yes at 9 secs Mikee sorta but more forward motion.

Edited November 4, 2010 by Matt Vandart

[Jamie_Trials]

If you concentrate on getting some bounce off the front tyre you're halfway there, make sure its on the edge and thats your forwards momentum done there.

Practice practice practice

[chris4stars]

i had a shocking crash doing exactly this!!!

i was in the very early stages of static wheel hops or 'pedal punches'

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Eo_0-asxx4&feature=related

in the early stages though, it was like i was doing mini pedal hops but keeping the front wheel low and landing on two wheels....i was aware of my body weight shifting back, slightly lifting the front and driving from the rear - lunging forward.

what happened though as a result of my incorrect technique is that my rear wheel wasnt far enough up a ledge...so when i kicked the pedal forward, the bike stayed in the same place and i went over the bars and landed on my face...handstand on bars into a failed flip followed by a bike on top of me

i think (could be wrong) that the technique needed initially may be the same as above, but obviously slightly shifting the weight to the rear for the landing...

if im wrong, apologies for the nonsense;)

[Matt Vandart]

What about without the front wheel over the edge?

[Mark W]

What about without the front wheel over the edge?

Concentrate on getting the bike to go up, rather than forward. If you explode up a lot, you'll go higher and it makes it easier to reposition the bike. You can still use a little pedal pressure, but it means it's used to propel you forwards, rather than pushing your back wheel down.

All about the preload.

[Matt Vandart]

Cool I shall give it a go tomorrow.

Thanks dudes.

[Bobo_Grimmer]

I'm having this issue too. Some interesting points made here. Tis a great help. TF is awesome. (hippy moment...)