Azarathal Posted October 24, 2010 Report Share Posted October 24, 2010 Heya guys, Rear Echo Urban with a fairly dead grind and phat pads in plastic backings. The brake was never any good so I tried applying a small amount of tar and it still slips, despite having a tonne more bite. It's got so bad that I can pedal kick up a hill and still slide forwards. When I get my new spokes tomorrow / Tues I'm going to build up a Kris Holms rim instead and give it a fresh grind to see if it improves the brake. Anything else I could try? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ali C Posted October 24, 2010 Report Share Posted October 24, 2010 a fresh grind will improve it loads, a booster may help too. Those pads have great bite but not amazing hold also. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azarathal Posted October 24, 2010 Author Report Share Posted October 24, 2010 a fresh grind will improve it loads, a booster may help too. Those pads have great bite but not amazing hold also. Forgot to mention it has a 2bolt booster on. Also, for some reason the previous owner had 1 echo slave and one maggy slave? Would this have anything to do with it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kieran Morrison Posted October 24, 2010 Report Share Posted October 24, 2010 Heya guys, Rear Echo Urban with a fairly dead grind and phat pads in plastic backings. The brake was never any good so I tried applying a small amount of tar and it still slips, despite having a tonne more bite. It's got so bad that I can pedal kick up a hill and still slide forwards. When I get my new spokes tomorrow / Tues I'm going to build up a Kris Holms rim instead and give it a fresh grind to see if it improves the brake. Anything else I could try? Proabaly the best thing to do is get CNC'd backings, a fresh grind + a new bleed. Could help loads. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azarathal Posted October 24, 2010 Author Report Share Posted October 24, 2010 I haven't really got much money atm, litterally just put my WoW account up for sale, should be between £150-200 which should fun a dual disk set up, I've always hated rim brakes to be honest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azarathal Posted October 24, 2010 Author Report Share Posted October 24, 2010 Phat pads would slide forwards whilst going uphill. OLD Plasmatic CRM's Won't slip even on sloped walls / rails. Safe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gu trials Posted October 24, 2010 Report Share Posted October 24, 2010 regrind, rebleed, possibly sand a little of your pads, and set it up decent to your standards, it should be oright Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azarathal Posted October 24, 2010 Author Report Share Posted October 24, 2010 regrind, rebleed, possibly sand a little of your pads, and set it up decent to your standards, it should be oright Wheel has a lot of up / down + side to side in it due to it being a VERY quick build with no attempt at truing it. This makes setting up hard as fook When my new spokes arrive I'm building up a new rim anyway so I'll grind + bleed it then. Thanks everyone for your suggestions, I just don't think phat pads are for me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben John - Hynes Posted October 24, 2010 Report Share Posted October 24, 2010 (edited) Heya guys, Rear Echo Urban with a fairly dead grind build up a Kris Holms rim instead and give it a fresh grind to see if it improves the brake. Grind the Echo? Edited October 24, 2010 by Ben John - Hynes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azarathal Posted October 24, 2010 Author Report Share Posted October 24, 2010 Grind the Echo? I really hope you don't actually think like that, stop being awkward. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben John - Hynes Posted October 24, 2010 Report Share Posted October 24, 2010 To save time an effort, why not give it a go? Echo Urban rims grind like no other rims out there. I've always had silly good brakes on them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azarathal Posted October 24, 2010 Author Report Share Posted October 24, 2010 To save time an effort, why not give it a go? Echo Urban rims grind like no other rims out there. I've always had silly good brakes on them. It had multiple flat spots that I bent out, one almost snapped + its had a fair few grinds. It was Chinnery's old rim. I've never ground a rim before so I'm going to grind it anyway for leaning purposes, might as well true it up and see if it will last. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phatmike Posted October 24, 2010 Report Share Posted October 24, 2010 CNC backings will be a massive help, plastic backings should be confined to the rubbish bin! They're only £20 on the site, and your pads will go right in. A fresh grind should be your next port of call, and then a booster if you've got much flex going on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azarathal Posted October 24, 2010 Author Report Share Posted October 24, 2010 CNC backings will be a massive help, plastic backings should be confined to the rubbish bin! They're only £20 on the site, and your pads will go right in. A fresh grind should be your next port of call, and then a booster if you've got much flex going on. I currently have no money so I'll just shelve the phats untill I can get some cnc'd backings, I'll also try them again when I get a fresh grind Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phatmike Posted October 24, 2010 Report Share Posted October 24, 2010 Good shout mate, good luck getting your brake sorted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Burrows Posted October 24, 2010 Report Share Posted October 24, 2010 CNC backings will be a massive help, plastic backings should be confined to the rubbish bin! Rubbish, my last set of plastic backed pads gave the best braking performance I've ever had! Switching back to metal backings when they ran out was quite disappointing. All these wildly differing opinions over pads just go to show how important the set up is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phatmike Posted October 24, 2010 Report Share Posted October 24, 2010 Rubbish, my last set of plastic backed pads gave the best braking performance I've ever had! Switching back to metal backings when they ran out was quite disappointing. All these wildly differing opinions over pads just go to show how important the set up is. True that. As setups vary so much it's always hard to put one thing against another, though is it possible to argue that metal backings don't make for a more powerful brake? (At least in theory?) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben John - Hynes Posted October 24, 2010 Report Share Posted October 24, 2010 Rubbish, my last set of plastic backed pads gave the best braking performance I've ever had! Switching back to metal backings when they ran out was quite disappointing. All these wildly differing opinions over pads just go to show how important the set up is. I've found this. The only thing about CNC backings that I love is that the clips(so to speak) don't break off. O-ring system is much better. though is it possible to argue that metal backings don't make for a more powerful brake? I agree with that, but whether they make for a more powerful brake is debatable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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