zoster Posted October 9, 2010 Report Share Posted October 9, 2010 (edited) hey! wondering about your opinions on what would ride better (and why) for 24" street-trials. NOT taking into consideration the availability of parts and brake mounts, shich style do you think is smarter: bmx style (short forks, high bars) ot mtb style high forks, low(er) bars ? looking forward to your input! Edited October 9, 2010 by zoster Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aener Posted October 9, 2010 Report Share Posted October 9, 2010 Appearance-wise, the Inspired. I really hate the look of BMX bars when they're not on a BMX. Functionality-wise I can't say. Never been on a BMX24. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ogre Posted October 9, 2010 Report Share Posted October 9, 2010 surley they're both different beasts altogether? that said i have no experience in either i just can't see it being a close call but a masssive contrast between the two? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoster Posted October 9, 2010 Author Report Share Posted October 9, 2010 surley they're both different beasts altogether? that said i have no experience in either i just can't see it being a close call but a masssive contrast between the two? thet aren't all that different, but for the sake of argument, say you have the same geometry and same brake mounts, bb standards etc on two frame+ fork sets (whatever you think is good for street-trials), the only difference is that one takes the front end height in the handlebar and the other divides it between handlebar and bars/stackers. which would you choose and why, this is what i am trying to find out.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skorp Posted October 9, 2010 Report Share Posted October 9, 2010 (edited) thet aren't all that different, but for the sake of argument, say you have the same geometry and same brake mounts, bb standards etc on two frame+ fork sets (whatever you think is good for street-trials), the only difference is that one takes the front end height in the handlebar and the other divides it between handlebar and bars/stackers. which would you choose and why, this is what i am trying to find out.. The inspired.. Looks better, is alot lighter, the gearing is better suited for streettrials, and you have the oppurtunity to put on a long stem and ride "real" trials. Edited October 9, 2010 by Skorp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoster Posted October 9, 2010 Author Report Share Posted October 9, 2010 The inspired.. Looks better, is alot lighter, and you have the oppurtunity to put on a long stem and ride "real" trials. this isn't a comparison between the specific two models (so which one is lighter doesn't count) , but just about the geometry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark W Posted October 10, 2010 Report Share Posted October 10, 2010 I think a half-and-half bike would definitely be a good option. I'd love my Inspired to have a slightly steeper head angle (or a shorter fork), just to quicken it up for BMX moves. It's alright for most things, but compared to my BMX doing front-wheel based moves on my Inspired (e.g. nose manuals, G-turns, etc.) is a lot of effort. The head angle and fork length don't really help for stuff like that, but they do make it better for 'real' trials which is the natural trade-off, really. I'd quite like to try a Model-C though! The only 'real' tricks-based 24 out there at the moment, the geometry sounds pretty spot on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoster Posted October 10, 2010 Author Report Share Posted October 10, 2010 oh, boy, seems nobody gets what i am trying to ask (and it's probably my fault). nevermind the angles and stuff, say you have the same geometry and same mount standards in two bikes, THE ONLY DIFFERENCE is the fact that one has a high bmx-ey handlebar and a fork that just clears the 24" wheel, and the other has a 26" fork and a normal mtb riser bar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark W Posted October 10, 2010 Report Share Posted October 10, 2010 So you're simplifying it to just a case of looks then? At least it sounds that way if you're saying that they'd have the same geometry, etc. If the bars and pedals are in the same position relative to the wheels, then everything else would pretty much just be cosmetic? I'd prefer the smaller tyre/fork gap purely for footjam stuff, personally. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
isitafox Posted October 10, 2010 Report Share Posted October 10, 2010 I've seen a few posts from people who run mod forks on there 24 and trim the front tyre so it just fits under and they run them with normal trials bars and they've said they ride great! Tried searching for some pics but I can't for the life of me remember who did it, looked quality though! And personally I think BMX bars on a trials bike look gash. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoster Posted October 10, 2010 Author Report Share Posted October 10, 2010 So you're simplifying it to just a case of looks then? At least it sounds that way if you're saying that they'd have the same geometry, etc. If the bars and pedals are in the same position relative to the wheels, then everything else would pretty much just be cosmetic? I'd prefer the smaller tyre/fork gap purely for footjam stuff, personally. not sure it's just cosmetics. the fact that you have a lower toptube might influence some moves, there is also the structural resistance aspect of it. I've seen a few posts from people who run mod forks on there 24 and trim the front tyre so it just fits under and they run them with normal trials bars and they've said they ride great! Tried searching for some pics but I can't for the life of me remember who did it, looked quality though! And personally I think BMX bars on a trials bike look gash. i think it was a guy from russia and i think something broke (forgot if the frame or the fork). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eskimo Posted October 11, 2010 Report Share Posted October 11, 2010 You are indeed asking a bizarre question. If you do like a bit of everything you should consider a short mod. Despite what the majority of people think, short mods are very capable of doing lots, provided they don't fall apart. Onto the question, it depends what materials are used i guess and how they're designed etc. But generally speaking, i like how they look right now. But that's because it's the norm, so anything different looks kinda odd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt24. Posted October 11, 2010 Report Share Posted October 11, 2010 My opinion for you regardinf riding them both, would be that if you are going to be riding 70% trials and 30% bmx mixed in defo go for the inspired set up, with the low fork you will be comprimising your balance point and ease of control of the bike by lowering the bb. On the other hand if you are going to be doing a majority bmx 70% and 30% trials then your bmx styled option would suit you as it will be flickier and a comfortable position on the bike for manuals etc...... just my thoughts really... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ali C Posted October 11, 2010 Report Share Posted October 11, 2010 I don't think it will make much difference, but the bmx style would be heavier (and stronger) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simpson Posted October 11, 2010 Report Share Posted October 11, 2010 BMX all round excluding weight Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the trials mop Posted October 11, 2010 Report Share Posted October 11, 2010 I might be wrong but I don't think most of you are understanding what he's asking, you all seem to be commenting on feel and functionality of the parts, he just wants to know if people think the bmx style of short fork legs and high rise bars looks more visually pleasing than the trials style of lower rise bars (in comparison to bmx bars) and longer fork legs. correct me if I'm wrong jamie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skoze Posted October 11, 2010 Report Share Posted October 11, 2010 correct me if I'm wrong wondering about your opinions on what would ride better (and why) for 24" street-trials. Short trialsy one all the way with a nice steep head angle and fairly high bars. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoster Posted October 11, 2010 Author Report Share Posted October 11, 2010 I might be wrong but I don't think most of you are understanding what he's asking, you all seem to be commenting on feel and functionality of the parts, he just wants to know if people think the bmx style of short fork legs and high rise bars looks more visually pleasing than the trials style of lower rise bars (in comparison to bmx bars) and longer fork legs. correct me if I'm wrong jamie partially right, meaning i'm not referring to the visuals of it, that's pretty subjective, but about other aspects, like how they behave on certain tricks (does clearance provided by the low top-tube of cruisers help in any way) and if one version is stronger / stiffer than the other Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ali C Posted October 11, 2010 Report Share Posted October 11, 2010 you should be able to do turndowns and lookbacks (unturndown?) easier on the bmx setup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark W Posted October 11, 2010 Report Share Posted October 11, 2010 lookbacks (unturndown?) Different trick Now I sorta get what you're asking a little more, I'd imagine the BMX way would be stronger (not saying that an Inspired Fourplay frame/fork setup is weak, though...). Like I said before, footjam protection from the lower crown would be good times for definite, but the extra stand-over clearance isn't always a good thing. For manual tricks and manual 180s and the like, I've found that having a slightly higher frame means I can 'feel' where my bike is better. I used to have a Tierra a few years ago (super, super low BMX frame) and it was pretty nice but it was hard to feel where anything was because there was nothing there, almost. I then switched to an AtoB which was a little higher, and more recently a Hawk frame and each time as the frame height increased it became easier to do manual 180s and hop spins and stuff like that. It's not like the extra 1" on the top-tube is going to make whips totally impossible either, so it's not really that bad a trade-off. Most trials riders doing either whips or footjam whips do it the proper cheating way anyway so it's not like it matters EDIT: When I bonded my Pivotal post into my Inspired frame it lowered my seat by about 15mm or so, and that threw me a bit for some moves 'cos again my bike felt like it wasn't there 'cos my seat was around ankle height most of the time. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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