Matt Vandart Posted September 14, 2010 Report Share Posted September 14, 2010 I heard that they used the same size caliper pistons as mono trial, anyone confirm this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josh barker Posted September 14, 2010 Report Share Posted September 14, 2010 yep, i think i seen it once on the hope website Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark W Posted September 14, 2010 Report Share Posted September 14, 2010 I'm sure Adam will probably confirm it, but I'm fairly sure they don't... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forteh Posted September 14, 2010 Report Share Posted September 14, 2010 I thought it was adam who said they were. Going back to a recent 20" atomz full build thread and someone asked how the post mount moto's compared to the mono trials, someone said theyre the same pistons as the trial, might not have been adam though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark W Posted September 14, 2010 Report Share Posted September 14, 2010 Pretty sure it won't have been Ads - we were trying to work out the size of the pistons on the Atomz brakes, 'cos they're definitely smaller than the Mono Trial. Have a feeling the Mono Trials are 25mm and the Motos are 22mm, or something along those lines... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forteh Posted September 14, 2010 Report Share Posted September 14, 2010 Pretty sure it won't have been Ads - we were trying to work out the size of the pistons on the Atomz brakes, 'cos they're definitely smaller than the Mono Trial. Have a feeling the Mono Trials are 25mm and the Motos are 22mm, or something along those lines... I was wrong, it was infact mr vandart that stated they were the same size, the muppet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Vandart Posted September 14, 2010 Author Report Share Posted September 14, 2010 LMAO!!!!!!! I know and now I am trying to remember where I heard it. But I definately heard/read it somewhere. Still could be bullshit though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkshire Dale Posted September 14, 2010 Report Share Posted September 14, 2010 Its the same caliper but a different lever and vented rotor giving it a different feel and allowing it to not over heat at fast speeds! but yea the caliper is the same. Hope that helps, Dale Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Vandart Posted September 14, 2010 Author Report Share Posted September 14, 2010 Told you so............lol I cant remember where I heard/read it, maybe I dreamed it, I thought the lever pistons were the same size as standard hope levers just got the adjustability. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdamR28 Posted September 15, 2010 Report Share Posted September 15, 2010 Its the same caliper It's actually a very different caliper to the Mono Trial: http://thebloomingpoint.com/files/2009/12/hope-techv2vtd-203mm-Vented-Rotor+Level+Hose.jpg Post mount and spring return for pads are the main differences. At one point I believe the Moto had the same sized pistons (or might have been 24mm - Mono Trial is 25) but the brakes on the Atomz 20" are definitely not 24mm or above, look more like 20-22. Shame Hope are going to force us all to use the Moto Caliper for 'trials' brakes in future Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forteh Posted September 15, 2010 Report Share Posted September 15, 2010 Shame Hope are going to force us all to use the Moto Caliper for 'trials' brakes in future That doesnt actually matter as long as they reduce the bore of the master cylinder inline with the reduction of caliper piston size, in that case it just means its lighter Do you know what is the bore of the tech lever is compared to the standard mono? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Burrows Posted September 15, 2010 Report Share Posted September 15, 2010 That doesnt actually matter as long as they reduce the bore of the master cylinder inline with the reduction of caliper piston size, in that case it just means its lighter Do you know what is the bore of the tech lever is compared to the standard mono? Pretty sure they are the same, and obviously they aren't going to make another lever just for trials. Also, post mount Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashley Smith Posted September 15, 2010 Report Share Posted September 15, 2010 It's actually a very different caliper to the Mono Trial: http://thebloomingpoint.com/files/2009/12/hope-techv2vtd-203mm-Vented-Rotor+Level+Hose.jpg Post mount and spring return for pads are the main differences. At one point I believe the Moto had the same sized pistons (or might have been 24mm - Mono Trial is 25) but the brakes on the Atomz 20" are definitely not 24mm or above, look more like 20-22. Shame Hope are going to force us all to use the Moto Caliper for 'trials' brakes in future The new trial brake with post mounts will mean using an adapter iso to post ....................................... the new trials brake is also using the lever from the new race brake, couple to a moto calliper, nothing wrong with the current trial brake imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Vandart Posted September 15, 2010 Author Report Share Posted September 15, 2010 On this note while this thread is active, when are hope going to be supplying mono trial brakes with tech levers? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
narrowbars Posted September 15, 2010 Report Share Posted September 15, 2010 New lever Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Vandart Posted September 15, 2010 Author Report Share Posted September 15, 2010 Thats the new hope lever? If it is. Does it have any adjustments on it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Burrows Posted September 15, 2010 Report Share Posted September 15, 2010 Just reach adjustment, its a lightweight lever designed for XC racing... Link Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Vandart Posted September 16, 2010 Author Report Share Posted September 16, 2010 Yah boo sucks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Vandart Posted September 23, 2010 Author Report Share Posted September 23, 2010 Bought an old hope moto from ebay: Uploaded with ImageShack.us Thought I had heard right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdamR28 Posted September 23, 2010 Report Share Posted September 23, 2010 Got a link to the listing? That caliper and lever combination was never available together, since the pistons in the trials brake do NOT like heat (therefore shouldn't be used on an XC/DH bike) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Vandart Posted September 23, 2010 Author Report Share Posted September 23, 2010 Clicky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forteh Posted September 23, 2010 Report Share Posted September 23, 2010 That caliper and lever combination was never available together, since the pistons in the trials brake do NOT like heat (therefore shouldn't be used on an XC/DH bike) Is that right? I have my old 06 mono trial on the front of my santacruz chameleon and whilst it works pretty well (apart from the mush/flex) Ive not really used it in anger downhill yet. Whats the issue with the trial pistons and heat? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ali C Posted September 23, 2010 Report Share Posted September 23, 2010 I always thought the moto caliper was the same (but in post mount) a few years ago, but in the last year or two changed the piston size back down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Revolver Posted September 24, 2010 Report Share Posted September 24, 2010 I think post mount is good, it's less of a faff to set up in my opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Burrows Posted September 24, 2010 Report Share Posted September 24, 2010 I think post mount is good, it's less of a faff to set up in my opinion. It is less of a faff... but it's also less acurate, heavier and not as stiff. Plus if the fork mounts aren't perfect then there's nothing you can do about it. With IS mount, it is more effort to set for the first time. But once you have the shims sorted then you never have to set it up again. Plus you can face the fork mounts, shim it accurately to within 0.1mm and then the brake is set-up perfect. Resulting in awesomeness. Granted you can get it pretty close to perfect with post mount but there is always the chance of the caliper moving, or the fork mounts being slightly offline and then the brake will never be square. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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