TROYston Posted September 7, 2010 Report Share Posted September 7, 2010 Paul's snapped a yabaa. He's naw joined the koxx scene. K-124 Are a good company imo, Koxx bikes are strong, its just down to the rider themselves; you cant launch any frame into anything, with-out an outcome. Look at the race bmx's made by koxx, they are actully rather cheap. If my frame was to snap, i would happily get a koxx again. They are not going to make a crap heavy frame, just to slap some nice graphics on. But i must admit, it would sell well i think; but why would they need to, i'd say Koxx are one of the largest trials-specific companies out there. Then i think its a close comp. between deng and Monty. People are going to buy there frames for loads of reasons. where as you dont really see deng in any comps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan S Posted September 7, 2010 Report Share Posted September 7, 2010 (edited) Its a koxx specialised material too! so its probably not cheep to buy. EDIT: while i'm asking questions i don't serpose koxx have any proto types out or planning to make some more frames are they? Very interested as well. Do they have any proto 20 frames? Don't mean to sound rude but in what ways are koxx massivly better than monty? Except for shape lol. And while on the topic of overpriced frames... is it true that a mod rocman is a horrible ride? well, from my experience, when I had a white camel, it was all crooked. One dropout was 20 mm higher than the other one, and the bash plate mount is a long story. It took me 1,5 hours to mount a bashplate on a frame. Isn't that enough? I NO frame is designed to be hit into walls, irrespective of it's weight or price tag. My russian friend is widely known because of his 2-2,5 meter drop-gaps to front. His silver sky snapped in 6 months. Someone also mentioned that having pretty similar geo's, manus and sky ride very different. Edited September 7, 2010 by Dan S Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdamR28 Posted September 7, 2010 Report Share Posted September 7, 2010 Monty frame- about £600 If only, try almost doubling that! I remember the XTP being the top of the line frame, and that was £500 I think it was £799 and that was when the Euro exchange rate was around 1.45/£. Recently it was around 1.05/£ which instantly makes what used to be a £799 frame £1103! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laurence--Trials Posted September 7, 2010 Report Share Posted September 7, 2010 (edited) Does anybody think it would be cool to have a strong koxx frame with the graphics of a siver sky on it? 'Cos the silver sky is really nice! Yes and no.. Yes because I would have one it would look fantastic and ride amazing. No because everyone else would have it and it wouldn't be a 'rear' frame. Very interested as well. Do they have any proto 20 frames? Koxx proto? http://www.tribalzine.com/?The-Mont-Sainte-Anne-Elite-20&lang=fr Edited September 7, 2010 by Laurence--Trials Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoo!Man Posted September 7, 2010 Report Share Posted September 7, 2010 Koxx proto? http://www.tribalzine.com/?The-Mont-Sainte-Anne-Elite-20&lang=fr No it isn't, it's only the Sky frame stripped, the same as the forks, in order to make the bike a little bit lighter (now it's around 7'3 kg I believe) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Revolver Posted September 7, 2010 Report Share Posted September 7, 2010 I should think koxx are quite secretive about their protos, because they're one of the top dogs and don't want to give away secrets to other companies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laurence--Trials Posted September 7, 2010 Report Share Posted September 7, 2010 (edited) Stripping it saved him how much weight? Edited September 7, 2010 by Laurence--Trials Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Vandart Posted September 7, 2010 Author Report Share Posted September 7, 2010 Well think about it. A can o spray weighs a good bit full and considerably less when empty. 3 cans to do a bike primer, colour, clear and you got a good bit o weight to loose there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoo!Man Posted September 8, 2010 Report Share Posted September 8, 2010 Stripping it saved him how much weight? Don't know exactly, but maybe around 200g saved off the frame? Or that's what I've been told... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan S Posted September 8, 2010 Report Share Posted September 8, 2010 (edited) some paint + lacquer + base + some stickers - Not more than 100-120 i guess Edit: I don't know about frames, but the picture below clearly shows a new front tyre Edited September 8, 2010 by Dan S Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N.Wood Posted September 8, 2010 Report Share Posted September 8, 2010 Is that the new front tyre thats been up on Tartys for ages? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdamR28 Posted September 8, 2010 Report Share Posted September 8, 2010 Nah it's a 'Stiky Lite' in 20" size, rather than 'Shift'. I think its a few grams lighter but about £15 more and the old ones are discontinued Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan S Posted September 8, 2010 Report Share Posted September 8, 2010 think its a few grams lighter but about £15 more and the old ones are discontinued very interesting way to make people buy more expensive products - make no options Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark W Posted September 8, 2010 Report Share Posted September 8, 2010 very interesting way to make people buy more expensive products - make no options Do Koxx "Send the boys round" if you don't? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aener Posted September 9, 2010 Report Share Posted September 9, 2010 Do Koxx "Send the boys round" if you don't? I noticed the other day that you had >15,000 posts, and wondered how the hell you managed it. Reading this thread, I got my answer Thanks for defending Koxx - I had similar thoughts, but no idea how to express them - and no-one else seems to be doing it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr kenny Posted September 9, 2010 Report Share Posted September 9, 2010 I have kinda scaned this topic looking at the ' arguement'. Koxx are a premium brand, so you will pay a premium price. do you go onto specsavers forum and ask why are oakleys so much money when i can get 3 pairs of sun glasses for a tenner? or e- mailing intense and asking why there frames are £2000 when you can get a full suspension bike from tesco's for 70 quid.... its all in context - Koxx have been a premium brand for years, like echo( deng) have been the mid range and Onza were the cheepies. the same reason you can get an mp3 player for 30 quid but an i pod stings you for 150 + i have many an example......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark W Posted September 10, 2010 Report Share Posted September 10, 2010 Got a reminder of this thread and how nice Sky frames are today getting photos of the Red Sky frame - they're just so good. Compare that disc mount to, say, the Monty 231... Plus the general quality of the frame overall - it's just really nice. Not cheap, but you do get a good frame for the money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Revolver Posted September 10, 2010 Report Share Posted September 10, 2010 That frame is pimp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
isitafox Posted September 10, 2010 Report Share Posted September 10, 2010 (edited) I'm genuinely not convinced that it would really work like that, in terms of either frame strength, whether it'd be something people would want to buy and whether they'd actually be any good. Equally, Koxx are essentially just a high end comp brand. Apologies for the constant car analogies, but you don't really see Koenigsegg making a cheap shitter purely so people can have their badge on their car? In terms of not wanting to dilute the brand, I think it makes more sense for Koxx to not really offer a watered down version of their frames, especially as opening up into that market offers a whole host of problems in terms of the abuse people give frames, having to deal with warranty claims, having to see people bad-mouthing your brand because they had Part X that broke in Y months, etc. Aston Martin Toyota IQ Edited September 10, 2010 by isitafox Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark W Posted September 10, 2010 Report Share Posted September 10, 2010 How cheap is the 'cheap shitter' part of that though? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JT! Posted September 10, 2010 Report Share Posted September 10, 2010 When it comes to the price of mod frames - the Sky's the limit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdamR28 Posted September 10, 2010 Report Share Posted September 10, 2010 Aston Martin Toyota IQ European Legislation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
isitafox Posted September 10, 2010 Report Share Posted September 10, 2010 (edited) DB9 £103,000 Cygnet £20,000 Therefore Black Sky £849 Affordable shitter £169........ European Legislation Come on, worth a try!! And what about a Foxx, thats affordable, although for skinny peeps!! Edited September 10, 2010 by isitafox Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdamR28 Posted September 10, 2010 Report Share Posted September 10, 2010 Cygnet £20,000 Can't believe that shitty Cygnet is £20k... Koxx Acidrop frame is currently £110... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
isitafox Posted September 10, 2010 Report Share Posted September 10, 2010 Can't believe that shitty Cygnet is £20k... Koxx Acidrop frame is currently £110... Just had a look at that and it definately is a shitter! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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