Akira_Shock! Posted September 3, 2010 Report Share Posted September 3, 2010 Time for me to get a new tyre and I'm stuck between the two. Both are awesome from what I've heard but like apples and oranges there is a difference. So which tyre feels better for natural? What about general urban terrain? Wet obstacles? I'm guessing the only real difference between the DK and RK is the tread pattern right? Suggestions and recommendations? Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rusevelt Posted September 3, 2010 Report Share Posted September 3, 2010 Rain King is the better of the two, bouncier feel, better grip over natural but good enough for street. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
315r Posted September 3, 2010 Report Share Posted September 3, 2010 Rain King is the better of the two, bouncier feel, better grip over natural but good enough for street. People said that the real name of the Rain King is Puncture King... I don't know because I never used Continental but people said that... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rab shropshire Posted September 3, 2010 Report Share Posted September 3, 2010 People said that the real name of the Rain King is Puncture King... I don't know because I never used Continental but people said that... i think thats the rubber queen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
315r Posted September 3, 2010 Report Share Posted September 3, 2010 i think thats the rubber queen Yes, you're absolutely right, it was rubber queen. Excuse-me. Seems like rain king and der Kaiser are both good enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3dd Posted September 3, 2010 Report Share Posted September 3, 2010 I haven't use the Kaiser but RK is amazing on both natural and street, very stable but at the same time bouncier than maxxis. Protection is amazing too, but I do run quite a high presure to make is less bouncy when riding rocks. It is the "puncture protection King" IMO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Akira_Shock! Posted September 3, 2010 Author Report Share Posted September 3, 2010 Has anyone had the luxury of using both the DK and RK? Also, what's the wear-rate like of these tyres compared to say Maxxis 42a supertacky compound? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Dark Posted September 3, 2010 Report Share Posted September 3, 2010 Used both...prefer the Rain King personally Feels more bouncy and less "dead" than the Kaiser. Wear rate is a bit better than the Maxxis although not massively for me.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canardweb Posted September 3, 2010 Report Share Posted September 3, 2010 Used both...prefer the Rain King personally Feels more bouncy and less "dead" than the Kaiser. Wear rate is a bit better than the Maxxis although not massively for me.... Exacvtly the same for me. But now I use Kenda Nevegal and it is awesome except that you get punctures! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark W Posted September 3, 2010 Report Share Posted September 3, 2010 Has anyone had the luxury of using both the DK and RK? Also, what's the wear-rate like of these tyres compared to say Maxxis 42a supertacky compound? Stan's Der Kaiser seems to have lasted longer than most people's Maxxis Super Tackys that I've seen. The nanocarbon tech in it seems to work pretty well - just means that your tyre wears out slower, despite it being a 35a compound instead of 42a. Either way - you can't really go wrong with the RK or the DK. Ali used to run the RK and Stan's still running the DK, and both of their tyres are super good. I've seen Stan's hold in absolutely ridiculous situations, where I'm absolutely certain a Maxxis tyre would just shit the bed. It's unbelievably stable on really off camber surfaces too. If you're riding some more tech natural then I'd probably go for the DK, but again, they're both really, really good tyres so you can't go wrong whichever you choose. Regarding the price, they're more expensive than the Maxxis tyres but they perform better, resist punctures better, are more stable, are grippier and have a better wear rate. There is a reason they cost more, or, as I just listed them, about 4-5 reasons more Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Akira_Shock! Posted September 6, 2010 Author Report Share Posted September 6, 2010 So after searching around, it seems there is one major difference between the RK and DK: RK- steel bead DK- folding kevlar bead. at least according to the Tartybikes description. So how different does this make the tyres feel to ride on? Unless , is it possible to get both in either steel or kevlar bead? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdamR28 Posted September 6, 2010 Report Share Posted September 6, 2010 DK- folding kevlar bead. at least according to the Tartybikes description. So how different does this make the tyres feel to ride on? Unless , is it possible to get both in either steel or kevlar bead? Sorry, that will have been a copy and paste from Conti website, I have changed it now - both the DK and RK are steel bead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stan Shaw Posted September 6, 2010 Report Share Posted September 6, 2010 (edited) So after searching around, it seems there is one major difference between the RK and DK: RK- steel bead DK- folding kevlar bead. at least according to the Tartybikes description. So how different does this make the tyres feel to ride on? Unless , is it possible to get both in either steel or kevlar bead? They both have the same carcass and bead actually. The description on our site is incorrect so I'll get that changed. The only difference is the tread pattern. Aslong as you get one of them, you'll win. They own every other rear tyre out there Edited September 6, 2010 by Stan Shaw Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N.Wood Posted September 6, 2010 Report Share Posted September 6, 2010 I've been through 3 of each RKs and DKs and to be honest there is no noticeable grip difference. I went with a RK this time because it comes in slightly narrower at the tread due to the side knob design, and i needed the clearance. You can't go wrong with either. They definately outlast Maxxis Super Tackys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trialsmax04 Posted September 6, 2010 Report Share Posted September 6, 2010 Does anyone know the size of chain stay you would need to run one of thease? Pretty sure mine is 375mm and a rubber queen wont fit. Would either of thease fit? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forteh Posted September 6, 2010 Report Share Posted September 6, 2010 They both have the same carcass and bead actually. The description on our site is incorrect so I'll get that changed. The only difference is the tread pattern. Aslong as you get one of them, you'll win. They own every other rear tyre out there Has anyone tested the trial queen rear tyres yet? How do they compare to the RQ, DK and RK, more specifically to low pressure stability rather than puncture resistance. My RQ is on the way out now after 2 years use (split sidewall and grip has started to fail) and will need a new tyre soon, I want to keep the lightweight rear tyre but would like alittle more stability Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark W Posted September 6, 2010 Report Share Posted September 6, 2010 Does anyone know the size of chain stay you would need to run one of thease? Pretty sure mine is 375mm and a rubber queen wont fit. Would either of thease fit? Got the tyre sizes up on the site - the RK might but the DK won't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Vandart Posted September 6, 2010 Report Share Posted September 6, 2010 I have DK and it's puncture resistance is unreal, rimming out on a pointy gap the other evening and I had to keep listening to my tyre because I could not believe I had not pinch flatted it even though I run really low pressure. The grip is also unbelievable as is the stability on off camber shit. Best tyre I have ever used and thats for sure. Anyone know if the Trial queen is as good? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N.Wood Posted September 6, 2010 Report Share Posted September 6, 2010 Not tried the trial queen but I'd imagine its worse for puncture resistance and stability, but better on weight and the same on grip. If you can live with the less stable tyre and possibly more punctures the Trial Queen would be great. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forteh Posted September 6, 2010 Report Share Posted September 6, 2010 I have DK and it's puncture resistance is unreal, rimming out on a pointy gap the other evening and I had to keep listening to my tyre because I could not believe I had not pinch flatted it even though I run really low pressure. The grip is also unbelievable as is the stability on off camber shit. Best tyre I have ever used and thats for sure. Anyone know if the Trial queen is as good? What I want to know! I could never pinch my old dual ply maxxis no matter what pressure, I do like the bounce of the RQ though, just wish it was alittle more stable when landing gaps sideways and on off camber rocks. Im almost 100% sure the TQ wont be as good as DK/RK for punctures, if it has similar stability then its a winner for me Ive only pinched my RQ twice in the 2 years Ive been running it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark W Posted September 6, 2010 Report Share Posted September 6, 2010 The TQ is between the RQ and the DK/RK in terms of puncture resistance and stability. It's designed to be a sort of 'best of both worlds' tyre. Better grip than the RQ, lower weight than the DK/RK, more stability than the RQ, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trialsmax04 Posted September 6, 2010 Report Share Posted September 6, 2010 Got the tyre sizes up on the site - the RK might but the DK won't. Well looking at all the tyre measurements on a "well known cycle trials website", the rain king is 55mm deep and the High roller ( of which im running now) is 56mm and the same width (60mm). I always thought the rain kings where huge? So i should be able to fit into a HIFI frame? max Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forteh Posted September 6, 2010 Report Share Posted September 6, 2010 The TQ is between the RQ and the DK/RK in terms of puncture resistance and stability. It's designed to be a sort of 'best of both worlds' tyre. Better grip than the RQ, lower weight than the DK/RK, more stability than the RQ, etc. Looks like TQ will be my next tyre, I can cope with the stability of the RQ but it means I need to run it above 20psi to stop it peeling off the rim and because Im not very heavy I cant get so much preload bounce out of it. If the weight on tartybikes is right its still lighter than my RQ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark W Posted September 6, 2010 Report Share Posted September 6, 2010 Looks like TQ will be my next tyre, I can cope with the stability of the RQ but it means I need to run it above 20psi to stop it peeling off the rim and because Im not very heavy I cant get so much preload bounce out of it. If the weight on tartybikes is right its still lighter than my RQ It should be right, haha. If you've got a 2.4" RQ then that'd explain it, as the TQ is based on a 2.2" carcass even if it inflates like a 2.4-2.5"... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forteh Posted September 6, 2010 Report Share Posted September 6, 2010 It should be right, haha. If you've got a 2.4" RQ then that'd explain it, as the TQ is based on a 2.2" carcass even if it inflates like a 2.4-2.5"... Ah so its a 2.2 RQ with apex inserts and the DK/RK compound Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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