Canardweb Posted August 17, 2010 Report Share Posted August 17, 2010 (edited) Hello! I am looking for a new frame. What do you people think of the Rockman ISIS? Has anybody heard about broken ones? Has it got any problems? Thanks for your help! Edited August 17, 2010 by Canardweb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3dd Posted August 17, 2010 Report Share Posted August 17, 2010 Hello! I am looking for a new frame. What do you people think of the Rockman ISIS? Has anybody heard about broken ones? Has it got any problems? Thanks for your help! All I know it a mile long Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canardweb Posted August 17, 2010 Author Report Share Posted August 17, 2010 All I know it a mile long I know that thanks! What else? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiuSliS Posted August 17, 2010 Report Share Posted August 17, 2010 My friend welded this place like 4 times. But then again, he usually brakes everything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canardweb Posted August 17, 2010 Author Report Share Posted August 17, 2010 My friend welded this place like 4 times. But then again, he usually brakes everything. Ah... Well then, I think I got wrong again... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Revolver Posted August 17, 2010 Report Share Posted August 17, 2010 Why don't you buy a TRITON?! Find a geometry you like, get a titanium custom frame, so it's super-light... sorted! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forteh Posted August 17, 2010 Report Share Posted August 17, 2010 Why don't you buy a TRITON?! Find a geometry you like, get a titanium custom frame, so it's super-light... sorted! Got a point you know, mines pretty light (sub 8.8kg build but could be a fair bit lighter), strong as hell and if it does crack you can weld titanium back up without any heat treatment problems Its an investment but a much more sensible one than an aluminium frame as it is almost guarunteed to outlife it, the only problem is if you get bored of the geometry, I cant see that happening with mine I love it to pieces. For reference mines a standard '06 triton deema - 1085wb / 385cs / +30bb* / 72 ha / 670 reach/ 1.59kg frame weight. *this is with pace RC32T trials forks, theyre pretty long axle to crown, with shorter forks the bb rise is about 25mm. The only thing I would change about it given the choice would be to stiffen the rear end up slightly, its not a major problem but its pretty springy compared to modern aluminium frames which are generally very stiff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Revolver Posted August 17, 2010 Report Share Posted August 17, 2010 Mm, the boredom of the geometry thingy seems to be the problem for this guy.. it seems like he's always looking for new frames. Well, if you try loads and loads of frames, you'll be able to tell which parts of which frames you like, and combine them in ultimate form. A triton might cost twice as much as an ordinary frame, but if you get the perfect geometry, it would stop you buying new frames for ever, so you'd save money after two weeks, or how ever long you keep a frame for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forteh Posted August 17, 2010 Report Share Posted August 17, 2010 A triton might cost twice as much as an ordinary frame, but if you get the perfect geometry, it would stop you buying new frames for ever, so you'd save money after two weeks, or how ever long you keep a frame for. Not the case any more, IIRC a triton costs 650 quid, most of the lightweight top end trials frames arent far off this anyway When they came out it was horrifically expensive, compare it to a koxx sky and youre laughing, literally Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greetings Posted August 17, 2010 Report Share Posted August 17, 2010 Triton is a good idea but only if you want to wait a few months for your frame. They are in a completely different league to any other frame on the market and that's a fact. I had one for 2 years and then passed it on to a mate. Had a chance to ride his bike last week and it was amazing, had a completely different feel to aluminium frames. I offered the guy 500 quid for it but he said no Is Triton still going? Gazza left the company for a year or so? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forteh Posted August 18, 2010 Report Share Posted August 18, 2010 Gazza is making them again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canardweb Posted August 18, 2010 Author Report Share Posted August 18, 2010 No! I don't want a titanium frame. It rides really differently from a aluminium frame. Much more springy and bouncy. What about the Rockman ISIS please? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rab shropshire Posted August 18, 2010 Report Share Posted August 18, 2010 i have an isis sitting in my sdhed that has snapped in the same place as the pics above Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canardweb Posted August 18, 2010 Author Report Share Posted August 18, 2010 i have an isis sitting in my sdhed that has snapped in the same place as the pics above Ok, no then! Thanks everybody! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JD™ Posted August 18, 2010 Report Share Posted August 18, 2010 Ok, no then! Thanks everybody! You are aware that frames do break, right? Because 2 people have said theirs have broken you're completely discounting it? I'm sure there's a few of these bikes around that haven't broken... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigman Posted August 18, 2010 Report Share Posted August 18, 2010 Ok, no then! Thanks everybody! You realy are rediculus dude, EVERY frame will break from trials at some point. I had my ISIS for 8-9 months and it was perfect when I sold it, and I rode that frame ALOT! realy good frame, realy stiff, although the brake mounts were slightly too high, so idealy you needed to run some mounts with extra adjustment. Keep an eye out as I may well be testing a frame to your fancy very soon! On another note, how often are you changing frames? I have only just seen the pictures of the Neon which i presume you have only just got! Adam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Vandart Posted August 18, 2010 Report Share Posted August 18, 2010 Mm, the boredom of the geometry thingy seems to be the problem for this guy.. it seems like he's always looking for new frames. Well, if you try loads and loads of frames, you'll be able to tell which parts of which frames you like, and combine them in ultimate form. A triton might cost twice as much as an ordinary frame, but if you get the perfect geometry, it would stop you buying new frames for ever, so you'd save money after two weeks, or how ever long you keep a frame for. On this note, it may not be that he is getting bored of the geo quickly even if the evidence points to such. I have been through a good few frames over the last 2 years looking for one that just feels RIGHT. Geo is a very personal thing and it takes a while to realize exactly which part of the geo is not right for you, and then you have to deal with how the specific values interact with each other. Obviously shorter frames for midgets (such as myself) and longer frames for giants is a good starting point but some short people like long frames and some tall people like shorter frames. Obviously getting on a bike and trying it out is the way forwards but as is the nature of trials there are few, if not no shops, that stock full built custom trials bikes combined with the fact that riders are often loners so cannot try out mates frames. It can cost you a f**king fortune trying to work out which geometry suits you and I believe it must have cost this dude a fair bit. Bigman- u have a slightly biased opinion on this frame and all rock man products, obviously two reports in such short order in the same place does not fill one with faith that this frame will last. Admittedly they could be dirty bashers but then again maybe not. I am not going to make an opinion either way as to whether rockman frames are strong or not until I have personally owned one. Saying that all trials frames WILL brake is also a bit rash, there are plenty of Onza's, Zoo's, planet x, pashleys, ZHI's, neons among others out there that have been though a few owners (bashers and smooth riders) and are still going strong. Yes they will crack eventually, that is the nature of aluminium (the ones made of this material) but not as quickly or worse still, when just out of warranty. A quick brows through "My frame has cracked/snapped/died" topics will show a definate bias towards Rockman, Koxx, Monty, (some) Onza and Dob frames, coincidentally (or not) the most expensive frames out there. Esp. if you are looking at topics about frames which are less than a year old, If companies such as the above do not tackle this problem as a quality assurance problem/design problem rather than just stating that all trials frames will crack so you may as well pay more for the honor of cracking ours, then consumers will get sick of it eventually and sales of these products will go down. I believe one (or more) of the above mentioned companies is already suffering this exact problem (My opinion). The Chinese companies will grab the opportunity handed to them just the same as the Japs annihilated the British motorcycle industry by taking advantage of their complacency to quality. It has been shown time and again that consumers are not stupid just a bit slow on the uptake. They may be purchasing now (falling for it) but will not put up with it indefinitely. I understand that there is a tradeoff between weight and strength going on in trials frames but I would rather buy a heavier frame that will last at least a year (preferably more) or a light frame (that will crack) that I can buy 2 of for the same cost an expensive light frame. Rant over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forteh Posted August 18, 2010 Report Share Posted August 18, 2010 I understand that there is a tradeoff between weight and strength going on in trials frames but I would rather buy a heavier frame that will last at least a year (preferably more) or a light frame (that will crack) that I can buy 2 of for the same cost an expensive light frame. Triton again, lightweight, strong, not super expensive although not super cheap Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canardweb Posted August 18, 2010 Author Report Share Posted August 18, 2010 You realy are rediculus dude, EVERY frame will break from trials at some point. I had my ISIS for 8-9 months and it was perfect when I sold it, and I rode that frame ALOT! realy good frame, realy stiff, although the brake mounts were slightly too high, so idealy you needed to run some mounts with extra adjustment. Keep an eye out as I may well be testing a frame to your fancy very soon! On another note, how often are you changing frames? I have only just seen the pictures of the Neon which i presume you have only just got! Adam The Neon, I got it two months ago. And now that you say that you are testing a new frame I might like makes me want to wait for it. So what's the geo gonna be? Weight? Price and release date too? For the others, I changed frames quite often recently as the Mad phase was way too short, the Onza Limey cracked, the Echo Control was flexy and was making weird noise, the Bionic B5R frame was way too short too. And these are all my frames! The Neon is now making cracking noises... But again, I'll finish the Neon and we'll see afterwards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
modifiedridah2k9 Posted August 18, 2010 Report Share Posted August 18, 2010 (edited) I know that thanks! What else? My uncle Rab got one and its snapped at the chainstay place that has been pointed out before. I'd say if your a really smooth rider and deffinitly not a basher you might get away with a rockman. You should be fine. EDIT: Rab already said it, woops. Edited August 18, 2010 by modifiedridah2k9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Vandart Posted August 18, 2010 Report Share Posted August 18, 2010 Thats ok dude your input is also valid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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