How Is Stell For Trials Riding?

[dirt jumper jake]

Haha tempted for another

1050mm

+75mm

360mm

beast

Edit: yeah steel is good for trials if your a basher like me

Edited August 13, 2010 by dirt jumper jake

[Krisboats]

Whoa there champ...

I've always wanted to try one. Proportionally speaking a purely TGS frame that feels long for most people still doesn't feel long enough for me. I would absolutely love a trials frame with a 28-29" cockpit area, but most seem to be under 27"

I think a 1250wb bike with 29" wheels would feel to me how a 26" 1095wb feels for most average height people.

He's not that tall.

Would you say you're about average height then?

(note how i'm leaning down to you as well )

[Rob Leech]

I've always wanted to try one. Proportionally speaking a purely TGS frame that feels long for most people still doesn't feel long enough for me. I would absolutely love a trials frame with a 28-29" cockpit area, but most seem to be under 27"

I think a 1250wb bike with 29" wheels would feel to me how a 26" 1095wb feels for most average height people.

Would you say you're about average height then?

You're making it sound like your about 8 ft tall with shoulders as wide as an elephant chris .

Considering that most people can feel a large difference by increasing 20-30 mm in wheel base, putting on another 160mm to what is now the sort of standard WB would, to put it rather bluntly, fook it oop a lot.

I'd have a proper think before wasting money, and marinos time, on a frame like that.

Josh.

[Krisboats]

If people were so cynical all the time humanity wouldn't have accomplished anything. It's not a waste of time at all, i'll either find out if it works or if it doesn't. If it does, it'll be one of the only ways i'll ever get one that fits me like that as it'll never be adopted into the mainstream trials market.

My armspan is well over 2 metres, how many other riders can say that?

[Krisboats]

What you haven't told everyone is that in that photo I'm actually on my knees.

Try it man, give them a ring and get it built!

On the contrary, you were standing on a yellow pages if i remember right

Unfortunately i have things i need to pay for first, deposit for a new house is going to be a killer so it's not going to be soon or rushed into in the slightest. If it ever even happens.

[Dan Clark]

I remember the days when people said I wouldn't be able to ride my 1065mm Levelboss very well because it was massively long.

[Rob Leech]

If people were so cynical all the time humanity wouldn't have accomplished anything. It's not a waste of time at all, i'll either find out if it works or if it doesn't. If it does, it'll be one of the only ways i'll ever get one that fits me like that as it'll never be adopted into the mainstream trials market.

My armspan is well over 2 metres, how many other riders can say that?

Alright chris, so you dont think that anyone who is over 6 4 has tried this before?

Look at the likes of TRA and tunnicliffe, both tall riders getting on quite well with normal frames and im sure a few more people could name alot more riders that are over 6' that get on just fine.

I think that there are quite a few riders who could say that.

Why not just try a higher bar and stem?

Just because your tall dosent mean you have to ride a fooking barge.

Josh.

[Krisboats]

I remember the days when people said I wouldn't be able to ride my 1065mm Levelboss very well because it was massively long.

Exactly. My full suspension bike has a wheelbase of 1180 and i've used that for trials and i can spin it no problem. Admittedly the head angle geo and chainstays are completely different but the wheel position was perfectly manageable.

[Rob Leech]

I remember the days when people said I wouldn't be able to ride my 1065mm Levelboss very well because it was massively long.

and a modern frames wheelbase has increased by how much? 40mm?

[Krisboats]

Alright chris, so you dont think that anyone who is over 6 4 has tried this before?

Look at the likes of TRA and tunnicliffe, both tall riders getting on quite well with normal frames and im sure a few more people could name alot more riders that are over 6' that get on just fine.

I think that there are quite a few riders who could say that.

Why not just try a higher bar and stem?

Just because your tall dosent mean you have to ride a fooking barge.

Josh.

I don't know of anyone over 6'4" trying a bike this size, no. The only one i recall was pete wrights 1200 thing with holes and i don't think he was particularly tall...

I'm not saying i have to, i would just like to try it. Where's the harm in that?

I've never met TRA but tunnicliffe isn't that tall at all, probably around 5'11"-6'. I've got a huge bar and stem combo already and the next longest stem i can see without going into silly angles of rise is 138mm. That's only 8mm longer! It's already putting my weight too far forward on the bike in comparison to the front wheel axle.

and a modern frames wheelbase has increased by how much? 40mm?

The difference is they're trying to sell them to a mass market and i'm looking at a custom geo to suit one person.

[Rob Leech]

The difference is they're trying to sell them to a mass market and i'm looking at a custom geo to suit one person.

I understand that, and thats fair enough, what i've been trying to get through is that a 1250 wheelbase wont suit you, it's just a stupid idea.

Mayby 1120 or something in that area, but 1250? Thats just takin the piss.

Why not get a tape out and look at the difference between your limey and a frame with a 1250 wb, you might see the problem there then.

Josh.

[Krisboats]

I understand that, and thats fair enough, what i've been trying to get through is that a 1250 wheelbase wont suit you, it's just a stupid idea.

Mayby 1120 or something in that area, but 1250? Thats just takin the piss.

Why not get a tape out and look at the difference between your limey and a frame with a 1250 wb, you might see the problem there then.

Josh.

Most of the best ones are. How many people do you think said that before they went to the moon? (i'm in no way saying this is the same level of awesome )

1120 increases the wheelbase by the size of my fingernail, what's the point in that? My kona has a longer wheelbase than that! I've already done the tape measure thing when i first thought about this a few years ago, i've even held the front wheel in place with a coat hanger contraption to see where it would put it when the bike was on the back wheel.

[Rob Leech]

Most of the best ones are. How many people do you think said that before they went to the moon? (i'm in no way saying this is the same level of awesome )

1120 increases the wheelbase by the size of my fingernail, what's the point in that? My kona has a longer wheelbase than that! I've already done the tape measure thing when i first thought about this a few years ago, i've even held the front wheel in place with a coat hanger contraption to see where it would put it when the bike was on the back wheel.

Just no, lol, most of the best ideas are good ideas, the fooking stupid ideas you see and think, what is the point in this???

Exactly, over 10 trials frames have only grown in wheelbase by 40-50mm, tops, its bigger than a finger nail, but not a hand.

You said earlier you'd like an extra inch or 2 cockpit room, 1250 would give you an extra 6-7.

Think about your ideas, look at what will acctually come out at the end and whether the result is what your after before you go blurting them out.

Josh.

[Rob Leech]

Make sure you give it a rediculosly steep head angle as well just to maximise cock space.

And get him to make you some forks with 90mm axle offset , If he makes forks .

Edited August 13, 2010 by Rob Leech

[Krisboats]

Just no, lol, most of the best ideas are good ideas, the fooking stupid ideas you see and think, what is the point in this???

Exactly, over 10 trials frames have only grown in wheelbase by 40-50mm, tops, its bigger than a finger nail, but not a hand.

You said earlier you'd like an extra inch or 2 cockpit room, 1250 would give you an extra 6-7.

Think about your ideas, look at what will acctually come out at the end and whether the result is what your after before you go blurting them out.

Josh.

Who's got your knickers in a twist? What's the issue if i try it?

I'd drop the stem size down and run a slacker head angle so the effective cockpit change is only a few inches for me I don't like being so far over the front axle, i want long but not front weighted.

[Rob Leech]

Who's got your knickers in a twist? What's the issue if i try it?

I'd drop the stem size down and run a slacker head angle so the effective cockpit change is only a few inches for me I don't like being so far over the front axle, i want long but not front weighted.

I just dont want you to waste the time trying it personally.

You've only just got a new bike and your riding alot more, just stick with the limey for a while, should be the sort of frame that will suit you.

And you can have a play on the control tommorow, see how that is.

Josh.

[Revolver]

YOU HAVE A STOCK AGAIN?!?!

[Rob Leech]

YOU HAVE A STOCK AGAIN?!?!

Yezzer

You representing tommorow?

PS- sorry to the fella that started this, i love steel personally

Edited August 13, 2010 by Rob Leech

[Mark W]

I've always wanted to try one. Proportionally speaking a purely TGS frame that feels long for most people still doesn't feel long enough for me. I would absolutely love a trials frame with a 28-29" cockpit area, but most seem to be under 27"

I think a 1250wb bike with 29" wheels would feel to me how a 26" 1095wb feels for most average height people.

By that, do you mean you're planning on trying 29" wheels with it?

I think Stan's about 6' 3" or so and he's already said before that his Sky almost feels too long. I guess it depends on how you're riding though - Stan does lots of tech natural stuff where you've got to be able to move around your bike more and have it controllable from different positions which is where I think it'd suffer most if you go for a wheelbase that long. You'll just be stretched out more so it'll make you more of a passenger in many ways.

What HA are you planning on having on it too? Are you hoping to achieve that kinda geo by just making the front end super long but keep it with a 'normal' head angle, or have it so it's not that much longer than normal but have a slack head angle? Either way, sounds like anything to front might be a bit more of an effort just because of how much differently you're going to have to move it compared to a conventional long frame. I know your other bike's got a long WB, but "Doing spins" and stuff like that is different to doing proper trials moves.

[Canardweb]

PS- sorry to the fella that started this, i love steel personally

Nope that is really interesting actually! Seeing where trials could actually evolve is amazing. When we look at how it has been since it first existed, the bikes are now longer and higher, so why stopping? I love high and long bikes!

[Revolver]

Yezzer

You representing tommorow?

PS- sorry to the fella that started this, i love steel personally

I want to go but I am feeling shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiite excuse, I BMXed a bit today and excuse I didn't feel very into it, I think it will turn out lame if excuse I go.

Excuse excuse.

[Krisboats]

I just dont want you to waste the time trying it personally.

You've only just got a new bike and your riding alot more, just stick with the limey for a while, should be the sort of frame that will suit you.

And you can have a play on the control tommorow, see how that is.

Josh.

I know, trust me when i say this. It's not happening any time soon. I need more speakers before i even look at getting new bike frames!

By that, do you mean you're planning on trying 29" wheels with it?

I think Stan's about 6' 3" or so and he's already said before that his Sky almost feels too long. I guess it depends on how you're riding though - Stan does lots of tech natural stuff where you've got to be able to move around your bike more and have it controllable from different positions which is where I think it'd suffer most if you go for a wheelbase that long. You'll just be stretched out more so it'll make you more of a passenger in many ways.

What HA are you planning on having on it too? Are you hoping to achieve that kinda geo by just making the front end super long but keep it with a 'normal' head angle, or have it so it's not that much longer than normal but have a slack head angle? Either way, sounds like anything to front might be a bit more of an effort just because of how much differently you're going to have to move it compared to a conventional long frame. I know your other bike's got a long WB, but "Doing spins" and stuff like that is different to doing proper trials moves.

I would like to try them, but at the minute i've got other things to worry about financially so it'll be months off yet if i ever do get round to looking into it. My plans so far are huge wheelbase and then kind of build around that. This plan has currently been in the making for over 2 years though so it's not going to be flourishing any time in the next 12 months i don't think.