LordMersey Posted July 16, 2010 Report Share Posted July 16, 2010 Hello I was just wondering who took the step and made the low slung trials bikes we see today? Who (as it were) first got rid of the seat? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josh barker Posted July 16, 2010 Report Share Posted July 16, 2010 i think its either, monty, onza or koxx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LukeJustLuke Posted July 16, 2010 Report Share Posted July 16, 2010 Hello I was just wondering who took the step and made the low slung trials bikes we see today? Who (as it were) first got rid of the seat? Im pretty sure it was Monty but don't quote me on that! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forteh Posted July 16, 2010 Report Share Posted July 16, 2010 Wasnt it koxx with the 1065 levelboss in 2001/2002 or there abouts? I think monty lost the seats on the stocks before that but didnt have the long and low frame, Im probably wrong and someone will be along to correct me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Clark Posted July 16, 2010 Report Share Posted July 16, 2010 In terms of stocks it was Koxx with the Levelboss in 2002. Also the first frame to come in long lengths, 1065 and 1100, everything else was really short before then, and they never broke. Such a revolutionary frame, I really really wish I'd never sold mine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forteh Posted July 16, 2010 Report Share Posted July 16, 2010 In terms of stocks it was Koxx with the Levelboss in 2002. Also the first frame to come in long lengths, 1065 and 1100, everything else was really short before then, and they never broke. Such a revolutionary frame, I really really wish I'd never sold mine. Bugger me I got something right My mate has still got his old 1065 levelboss built up, bloody bombproof that thing is Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Clark Posted July 16, 2010 Report Share Posted July 16, 2010 Geo was 1065/1100mm wheelbase, 385mm chainstays, 0mm BB rise, 8" seat tube. Pretty bang on to todays standards when you consider it's 8 years ago. Also considering the most trialsy frame beforehand was probably the Brisa B26, which was 1025mm wheelbase, 405mm chainstays, -something BB drop, 12 1/2" seat tube. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris4stars Posted July 16, 2010 Report Share Posted July 16, 2010 i think i remember the first 20" onzas coming out with no seats...they may have been in 1999-2000?! i'll have to dig out an old copy of mbuk... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Clark Posted July 17, 2010 Report Share Posted July 17, 2010 Yeah, 2nd generation of T-Mags and T-Masters didn't have seats, Monty X-Lites were earlier than those and seatless though. Those lovely things where the chain rattled horrendously whenever you did anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7up_elise Posted July 18, 2010 Report Share Posted July 18, 2010 I had an old Monty B219 back in 1999. Was a few years old when I got it, so god knows what year they frst started making them! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Dark Posted July 18, 2010 Report Share Posted July 18, 2010 Had a seat though...and wasnt low really Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotty Evil1 Posted July 19, 2010 Report Share Posted July 19, 2010 The first without a seat was a 98/99 monty x lite. The blue one. Was weird seeing it for the first time! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rtfletcher Posted July 19, 2010 Report Share Posted July 19, 2010 In terms of stocks it was Koxx with the Levelboss in 2002. Also the first frame to come in long lengths, 1065 and 1100, everything else was really short before then, and they never broke. Such a revolutionary frame, I really really wish I'd never sold mine. When did you sell it? o bought one off ebay not too long ago (a few months) not long finished building it up, and im loving it!!!! she is a bit battered, but thats ok, its what you'd expect for something that age!! with a few bodges she's running nice and smooth! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sexymike Posted July 19, 2010 Report Share Posted July 19, 2010 I remember the Echo ES4 for the first time It was a picture on a table with a white sheet hung behind it The ES4R followed, (2.9lbs?) for me, thats the first radical frame i saw. Still, been into it since 1999, wasnt the ES4 before the level boss? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JD™ Posted July 19, 2010 Report Share Posted July 19, 2010 I remember the Echo ES4 for the first time It was a picture on a table with a white sheet hung behind it The ES4R followed, (2.9lbs?) for me, thats the first radical frame i saw. Still, been into it since 1999, wasnt the ES4 before the level boss? ES4 was an immense frame, I still have mine Pretty sure the level boss was before the ES4 though, but I could be totally wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
that NBR dude Posted July 19, 2010 Report Share Posted July 19, 2010 The Echo ES range had been around before the Levelboss came out from memory. I'm pretty sure I remember seeing the Proto levelboss pictures when I was riding my ES3. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JD™ Posted July 19, 2010 Report Share Posted July 19, 2010 Surely that doesn't make a difference to the question of whether the Levelboss was before the ES4 though? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
that NBR dude Posted July 20, 2010 Report Share Posted July 20, 2010 Surely that doesn't make a difference to the question of whether the Levelboss was before the ES4 though? ES2, ES3 and ES4 were almost exactly the same. The ES4 was just a lighter version I believe. Wasn't a lot of time difference between them when they were released. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monty-james Posted July 20, 2010 Report Share Posted July 20, 2010 Im pretty sure it was Monty, but not 100%. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Poyzer @ Onza Posted July 21, 2010 Report Share Posted July 21, 2010 The Onza Master frame was the first truely low slung frame designed without any consideration for a seat. It also had high BB. It was designed by us in 1998 and introduced on the Master in 1999 closely followed by the Mag in 2000, using the same frame. When we designed it there were only 2 other trials bike makers in the world, Monty and Megamo. They both produced seatless frames, but still with a diamond frame look about them. GT had dabbled, influenced by Hans Rey but had ceased production by then Brisa and Echo followed in about 2000 and I don't think Koxx arrived until about 2002. The only reason we didn't continue with that frame was due to material issues with the frame maker. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Clark Posted July 21, 2010 Report Share Posted July 21, 2010 Echo's had seats Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F-Stop Junkie Posted July 21, 2010 Report Share Posted July 21, 2010 The first without a seat was a 98/99 monty x lite. The blue one. Was weird seeing it for the first time! I thought it was 99? Wasn't the first one green, I remember Paul Thomson having one. That had a seat tube, and a clamp so could have taken a seatpost, but instead had a neoprene pad covering the hole. The Onza Master frame was the first truely low slung frame designed without any consideration for a seat. It also had high BB. It was designed by us in 1998 and introduced on the Master in 1999 closely followed by the Mag in 2000, using the same frame. When we designed it there were only 2 other trials bike makers in the world, Monty and Megamo. They both produced seatless frames, but still with a diamond frame look about them. GT had dabbled, influenced by Hans Rey but had ceased production by then Brisa and Echo followed in about 2000 and I don't think Koxx arrived until about 2002. The only reason we didn't continue with that frame was due to material issues with the frame maker. Mike, the Megamos (And Echos and Brisas...) of that time had those tiny plastic seats that retailed for a fortune. I think the Koxx Levelboss was the first 26" bike to not be able to have a seat at all. I haven't got all my slides scanned, but 2002 for the intro of Koxx sounds about right. Onza appeared on the scene well before that! (Heck, I remember seeing the first mod frame in the old shop in Notts! Either end of 99, or early 2000) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Poyzer @ Onza Posted July 21, 2010 Report Share Posted July 21, 2010 The t-Master was launched in July 1999 but had been on the drawing board since the previous summer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alle.C Posted July 25, 2010 Report Share Posted July 25, 2010 BikeTrial was invented by Monty in the 1980s , though mototrial have existed since around 1950-60 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cmfitchett Posted July 25, 2010 Report Share Posted July 25, 2010 I'm gonna say monty? Dunno it's just the fact that the Kamel XXV is their 25th aniversary bike, ofcourse they probably didn't start out with trials. Sorry guys I don't know that much about early trials. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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