monkeyseemonkeydo Posted June 17, 2010 Report Share Posted June 17, 2010 that downtube protector is such a joke. I have some broken old frames that I like to test stuff on, to dent a 2.0mm tube with a hammer you literally have to hit it with all your possible strength. You could not even chip the paint hitting it that hard without the protector on. Well the protector might work but I mean the test they show is garbage. I was buying a new frame and my old one had a stripped bb so I took a hammer to it and tried to break the toptube but I couldn't. I only put tiny dents in it. Anyways what I am saying is its a bad test First up, very few frames have 2mm tubes these days from what I unerstand. The Inspired has a 2mm downtube and that tube is hench. You'll probably find that Rockman frame has ~1mm tubing on the downtube and possibly even less in the centre if it's butted. Secondly, unless you're some freakishly weak starving child from Africa I'm pretty sure you could completely demolish a frame with a hammer, especially using 'all your possible strength'. Round tube's aren't that strong if you try and crush them (coke can as an example which some modern lightweight frames aren't far from) so a hammer blow is going to muller a tube. The protector will dissipate the force of an impact (within reason) along the length of the protector and will go a long way to saving your frame. Add in the 43g mass and pimp carbon-ness and I don't really see the joke! Edit: *cough* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdamR28 Posted June 17, 2010 Report Share Posted June 17, 2010 to dent a 2.0mm tube with a hammer you literally have to hit it with all your possible strength Well, not quite, but you do have to hit it hard. The protector isn't designed for frames with super thick downtubes, it's for light comp frames (like the Manus). I did test it without the guard (that frame was a write off already - you may be able to see on the video at one point that it's missing a dropout) and it made some reasonable dents, certainly enough to void the warranty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forteh Posted June 17, 2010 Report Share Posted June 17, 2010 Well, not quite, but you do have to hit it hard. The protector isn't designed for frames with super thick downtubes, it's for light comp frames (like the Manus). I did test it without the guard (that frame was a write off already - you may be able to see on the video at one point that it's missing a dropout) and it made some reasonable dents, certainly enough to void the warranty. I think it would have been good to have hammered the frame without the protector to prove a point Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdamR28 Posted June 17, 2010 Report Share Posted June 17, 2010 Wasn't sure how 'professional' that would be, but here you go: A 'full power' whack would easily crimp the tube I think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sponge Posted June 17, 2010 Report Share Posted June 17, 2010 (edited) That downtube protector looks reliable enough. Though I'm curious as to how well it'd protect against super hard bashes. Dropgap-to-downtube fail? Off topic- Is sayshell the 'dark lord' guy? Edited June 17, 2010 by Sponge Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monkeyseemonkeydo Posted June 17, 2010 Report Share Posted June 17, 2010 Off topic- Is sayshell the 'dark lord' guy? If by 'dark lord' you mean 'Clifford', then yes, yes he is. Antitron vid series on YouTube. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ate2yNhLVUc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forteh Posted June 17, 2010 Report Share Posted June 17, 2010 (edited) Wasn't sure how 'professional' that would be, but here you go: A 'full power' whack would easily crimp the tube I think. Looks to do a good job then, Im guessing those dents were produced using the same approximate hammer force? If it was tight fitted and bonded on it would be even stronger That downtube protector looks reliable enough. Though I'm curious as to how well it'd protect against super hard bases. Dropgap-to-downtube fail? Off topic- Is sayshell the 'dark lord' guy? I think if you hit it hard enough to break through the carbon its goodbye frame anyways, wouldnt be so good with abrasion but that shouldnt be too much of a problem unless you constantly slipping off rough walls and scraping the protector. In answer to your second question, yes edit: dammit beaten! Edited June 17, 2010 by forteh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
club_card Posted June 17, 2010 Report Share Posted June 17, 2010 Something that kills all vertically challenged people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam Moss Posted June 17, 2010 Report Share Posted June 17, 2010 No disc tab. A pro2 would be the only mod disc freehub on the market. The only way to get a mod disc freehub is to get a king BMX hub and replace the shell to ISO which has the disc mount. However to most mere mortals this is way too much time and money, and is therefore fairly unfeasable. I have a profile with an mtb hub shell, on my mod, 32 hole which has a disc mount. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dirt jumper jake Posted June 17, 2010 Report Share Posted June 17, 2010 WHERE DO I GET ME ONE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Vandart Posted June 17, 2010 Report Share Posted June 17, 2010 OMG, what are the chances?! Thats pretty impressive, shame it wont fit me limey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrialsIsHard Posted June 17, 2010 Report Share Posted June 17, 2010 belt drive !! would be fun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeanuckleJive Posted June 17, 2010 Report Share Posted June 17, 2010 belt drive !! would be fun Try reading through the thread Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sayshell Posted June 18, 2010 Author Report Share Posted June 18, 2010 nobody answered my question! Where do I get coloured magura hose if they exist? yeah I forgot those frames have super thin tubing. If you really want to see I will upload a video of me hammering the crap out of a frame and barely denting it. The diameter of the tube makes a huge difference too, for example even if its 2.0 thick something like a seatstay or chainstay basically can't dent because the smaller the tubing the stronger it will be (from getting squashed) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davey1991 Posted June 18, 2010 Report Share Posted June 18, 2010 nobody answered my question! Where do I get coloured magura hose if they exist? yeah I forgot those frames have super thin tubing. If you really want to see I will upload a video of me hammering the crap out of a frame and barely denting it. The diameter of the tube makes a huge difference too, for example even if its 2.0 thick something like a seatstay or chainstay basically can't dent because the smaller the tubing the stronger it will be (from getting squashed) Yes it does exist a member on the forum sells it, i can't quite remember who but it may be Alex Dark. Its obvious that smaller tubes are stronger, more material in a smaller area, smaller circles are always going to be stronger than big ones but that is designed for the downtube. The carbon thing is obviously only going to offer certain protection and like the armadillo mainly fram scratching. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twista Posted June 19, 2010 Report Share Posted June 19, 2010 Front carbon rims? Carbon bolts? Folding mod tires to weigh under 500g http://www.poshbikes.com/product.php?id=260 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadManMike Posted June 19, 2010 Report Share Posted June 19, 2010 nobody answered my question! Where do I get coloured magura hose if they exist? yeah I forgot those frames have super thin tubing. If you really want to see I will upload a video of me hammering the crap out of a frame and barely denting it. The diameter of the tube makes a huge difference too, for example even if its 2.0 thick something like a seatstay or chainstay basically can't dent because the smaller the tubing the stronger it will be (from getting squashed) I don't know, but when you get it, run it on the right hand side of your bike - it saves weight Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christophe' Posted June 19, 2010 Report Share Posted June 19, 2010 coloured maggie hose already exits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dirt jumper jake Posted June 20, 2010 Report Share Posted June 20, 2010 Tryall stikys in 24" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stefkeeee Posted June 20, 2010 Report Share Posted June 20, 2010 -Scandium/titanium frames. -Kevlar tires for mods . -Better disc brakes. And some kind of mechanism that's support pedalling in a way like elektronic bikes for more power. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mission Prodigy Trials. Posted June 20, 2010 Report Share Posted June 20, 2010 - Larger range of Mod tyres. - More colours of rim tape. - Lighter disk brakes. - Carbon Spokes. - Magnesium forks. - Carbon Rotors. - Lighter Mod tyres. - Stronger forks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Revolver Posted June 20, 2010 Report Share Posted June 20, 2010 - Larger range of Mod tyres. - More colours of rim tape. - Lighter disk brakes. - Carbon Spokes. - Magnesium forks. - Carbon Rotors. - Lighter Mod tyres. - Stronger forks. Carbon spokes?! Magnesium forks?! Carbon rotors has been done though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greetings Posted June 20, 2010 Report Share Posted June 20, 2010 Carbon spokes?! Magnesium forks?! Well of course. I'm going to say titanium brake hosing and perfumated frames (like the old Echo grips which had an appealing scent). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaRtZ Posted June 20, 2010 Report Share Posted June 20, 2010 Velcro pedals? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Dark Posted June 20, 2010 Report Share Posted June 20, 2010 coloured maggie hose already exits. Ye, I has some -Scandium/titanium frames. -Kevlar tires for mods . -Better disc brakes. And some kind of mechanism that's support pedalling in a way like elektronic bikes for more power. Rockman Bj:orn = scandium..... Triton bikes = titanium Scwalbe do some fronts that are folding don't they? Better in what way? Mono trials and BB7's have got enough power for trials - Larger range of Mod tyres. - More colours of rim tape. - Lighter disk brakes. - Carbon Spokes. - Magnesium forks. - Carbon Rotors. - Lighter Mod tyres. - Stronger forks. Mag forks = dob carbon rotors have been done by the tarty crew Strong forks, check out Trialtech Lighter discs...marta SL carbon maybe? Rim tape...just use any tape or plastic/ rubber Kenda small block for a front mod tyre.... Try-all lite / Monty eagle claw rear? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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