rab shropshire Posted May 26, 2010 Report Share Posted May 26, 2010 Question the first. My tensile 96 click developed alot of side to side play, so I checked the lock ring and it was nice and tight, I then took the freewheel apart and noticed there are a few shims inside, so what I have done is removed one of these to allow the lockring to tighten further and now there is less play in it. Basically what im asking, is it ok to remove one of these shims or am i about to have a trip to the dentist. Second question I am thinking of building my new front wheel with radial lacing, the hub i will be using is a non disc echo tr. I have heard that radial lacing is a bad idea but never been able to understand why. So the question is, will it be ok to radially lace my front wheel. Thanks in advance for the advise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JD™ Posted May 26, 2010 Report Share Posted May 26, 2010 Question the first. My tensile 96 click developed alot of side to side play, so I checked the lock ring and it was nice and tight, I then took the freewheel apart and noticed there are a few shims inside, so what I have done is removed one of these to allow the lockring to tighten further and now there is less play in it. Basically what im asking, is it ok to remove one of these shims or am i about to have a trip to the dentist. Second question I am thinking of building my new front wheel with radial lacing, the hub i will be using is a non disc echo tr. I have heard that radial lacing is a bad idea but never been able to understand why. So the question is, will it be ok to radially lace my front wheel. Thanks in advance for the advise. Front freewheels are something I know absolutely nothing about, so I'll leave that to someone else. Radial lacing is something that was debated for ages and just seems to have gone away a bit. I personally like the look of it but wouldn't use it. The point of crossing spokes in a wheel build is to make the wheel stronger. I'm gonna need to be drawing me some pictures I reckon... Here's one I've just knocked up to hopefully help you: Basically it's more flexy but lighter and sometimes aesthetically more pleasing to go radial. It's stronger and a little heavier (but bugger all really) to go with a 3x cross pattern. The other option is to go 3x on the disc side (if you're running a disc) and radial on the non disc side... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psycholist Posted May 26, 2010 Report Share Posted May 26, 2010 (edited) Radial spokes point straight from the centre of the hub. The shortest distance from the spoke hole to the edge of the flange is in the radial direction. This means the spoke holes have the least material to resist the spokes pulling through when the spokes are radial. There's an increased chance of the hub failing through spokes ripping out through the flanges in this case (It's still very rare AFAIK). If a hub manufacturer says it's OK to lace their hub radially then it shouldn't ever be a problem, if not you may get no warranty support if it fails (And it'll be very obvious to anyone in the warranty department looking at the hub that it was laced radially thanks to the marks left by the spokes on the hub). Radial spokes on disk wheels or both sides of rear wheels are to be completely avoided as the stresses caused by radial spokes trying to transfer torque get very large indeed... As for the freewheel - those shims were put in to adjust the bearings in the factory. Removing the shims until the play is just short of removed is the correct way to adjust the freewheel bearings. If there's a big difference it may indicate something else gone wrong in the freewheel - have a good look for evidence of bearings being damaged, missing bearings of deformed parts in the freewheel just in case. Edited May 26, 2010 by psycholist Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdamR28 Posted May 26, 2010 Report Share Posted May 26, 2010 1. Will be no problem 2. Also will be no problem, as said above, it's a bad idea on a wheel that suffers torque, but non disc front wheels are fine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rab shropshire Posted May 26, 2010 Author Report Share Posted May 26, 2010 thank you to every one for the super quick replys, and to the tarty boys i will be in touch in a few days for some spokes lol, and thanks for getting the tr caged pedals out to me so quick, i think some shin pads are on the cards Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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