stunt man t Posted May 17, 2010 Report Share Posted May 17, 2010 The luck of the draw. you have to be in it to win it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark W Posted May 17, 2010 Report Share Posted May 17, 2010 Have you ever used one on one of your bikes? I can break an echo line with my hands. Used an Echo cross-over with no problems. I can 'break' Magura hoses 'with my hands'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason222 Posted May 17, 2010 Author Report Share Posted May 17, 2010 (edited) Used an Echo cross-over with no problems. I can 'break' Magura hoses 'with my hands'. Using just a cross-over isn't the same. If you've cut magura line and echo lines you'll notice how easy it is to cut through echo lines, while maguras are actually quite difficult. When I had my original echo brake I was breaking lines every few weeks, yet I've never broken a magura line. One of the locals ordered an echo SL brake and the brake line actually snapped as he took it out of the box. Edited May 17, 2010 by Jason222 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigjames Posted May 17, 2010 Report Share Posted May 17, 2010 Using just a cross-over isn't the same. If you've cut magura line and echo lines you'll notice how easy it is to cut through echo lines, while maguras are actually quite difficult. When I had my original echo brake I was breaking lines every few weeks, yet I've never broken a magura line. One of the locals ordered an echo SL brake and the brake line actually snapped as he took it out of the box. You seem to know something about everything so why bother asking? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark W Posted May 17, 2010 Report Share Posted May 17, 2010 One of the locals ordered an echo SL brake and the brake line actually snapped as he took it out of the box. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stunt man t Posted May 17, 2010 Report Share Posted May 17, 2010 You seem to know something about everything so why bother asking? thats how footballers are ment to do it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DannyBazz (: Posted May 17, 2010 Report Share Posted May 17, 2010 You're either not bothered about money or a complete f*ckwit, all I ever hear you do is complain about Echo brakes, you get one, you say it's leaking straight from the box, so you water bleed it? Are you completely stupid? You've just lost all your money, on something you slag off repeatedly? Can you not just do us all a favour and f*ck off back to OTN Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greetings Posted May 17, 2010 Report Share Posted May 17, 2010 squeezing the lever actually did nothing to the slaves. 0 movement with a perfect bleed. You know that's physically not possible, don't you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason222 Posted May 17, 2010 Author Report Share Posted May 17, 2010 You're either not bothered about money or a complete f*ckwit, all I ever hear you do is complain about Echo brakes, you get one, you say it's leaking straight from the box, so you water bleed it? Are you completely stupid? You've just lost all your money, on something you slag off repeatedly? Can you not just do us all a favour and f*ck off back to OTN You were the guy that said it wouldn't leak. I wasn't going to waste more money in shipping it back to the UK to get a replacement. A $60 front brake isn't a big lot of money to lose. And I figured it was the slaves leaking, so I switched them, then I rebled. You don't seem to get my point - I don't care about tarty sending me a faulty brake, I'm saying that people in general should not use echo brakes, and that shops shouldn't even waste their time stocking them. To clear up the bleeding issue, I'm going to get a proper bleed kit tonight and rebleed it. But I already know what the outcome will be... You know that's physically not possible, don't you? Not if the master pisses out water. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronz Posted May 17, 2010 Report Share Posted May 17, 2010 This thread does seem to have gone a little box-over-chuff. People are giving you a lot of stick and you do sound like you know what you're on about, but seriously; you keep saying that ‘Oh I heard these brakes are shit so I bought one and I'm annoyed cos it's shit’. ‘People in general should not use echo brakes’ <- you've answered your own question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeanuckleJive Posted May 17, 2010 Report Share Posted May 17, 2010 Have you ever used one on one of your bikes? I can break an echo line with my hands. Think I found the source of your leak, sonnyjim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will Arnold Posted May 17, 2010 Report Share Posted May 17, 2010 i use this forum mainly for videos, rides, buying and selling. i don't know how i got in here but for heavens sake let me out! sometimes the most pointless conversations arise! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DannyBazz (: Posted May 17, 2010 Report Share Posted May 17, 2010 You were the guy that said it wouldn't leak. I wasn't going to waste more money in shipping it back to the UK to get a replacement. A $60 front brake isn't a big lot of money to lose. And I figured it was the slaves leaking, so I switched them, then I rebled. You don't seem to get my point - I don't care about tarty sending me a faulty brake, I'm saying that people in general should not use echo brakes, and that shops shouldn't even waste their time stocking them. To clear up the bleeding issue, I'm going to get a proper bleed kit tonight and rebleed it. But I already know what the outcome will be... Not if the master pisses out water. Your just a full on dick aren't you? Obviously if your bleeds are as amazing as you put across, then the brake would work, or there would be an obvious leak And if you already know the outcome why waste more money? Lastly, no one else comes on here, feels the need to post a topic as extreme as yours just because you got sent a faulty product. If I came on here and started saying "My Echo freewheel is rubbish, it doesn't engage, lets boycott the sales" You'd think I was a complete tosser, so STFU yeah? People like you really p*ss me off.... If you knew they were so terribly bad, why would you buy one then come crying on here about it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason222 Posted May 17, 2010 Author Report Share Posted May 17, 2010 Your just a full on dick aren't you? Obviously if your bleeds are as amazing as you put across, then the brake would work, or there would be an obvious leak And if you already know the outcome why waste more money? Lastly, no one else comes on here, feels the need to post a topic as extreme as yours just because you got sent a faulty product. If I came on here and started saying "My Echo freewheel is rubbish, it doesn't engage, lets boycott the sales" You'd think I was a complete tosser, so STFU yeah? People like you really p*ss me off.... If you knew they were so terribly bad, why would you buy one then come crying on here about it I didn't know it was so terribly bad, I asked if it would work, you said it would. I tried it, it didn't work. I wanted to see if the new echo brakes were good or not, and apparently they arn't yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DannyBazz (: Posted May 17, 2010 Report Share Posted May 17, 2010 I didn't know it was so terribly bad, I asked if it would work, you said it would. I tried it, it didn't work. I wanted to see if the new echo brakes were good or not, and apparently they arn't yet. Worked fine for me, worked fine for the majority of other people who have done it... Did you clean the swarf out of the lever, like everyone told you to do? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason222 Posted May 17, 2010 Author Report Share Posted May 17, 2010 Worked fine for me, worked fine for the majority of other people who have done it... Did you clean the swarf out of the lever, like everyone told you to do? Yeah, it was the first thing I did before I rebled it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Burrows Posted May 17, 2010 Report Share Posted May 17, 2010 I think the water creeped out the master when I pulled the lever blade... I'm pretty sure any pressure from the lever was forcing water out the master cylinder. Not if the master pisses out water. Slight contradictions there! Like everyone has already said numerous times, if it was bled perfectly then the slaves would move. For them to not move at all water would literally squirt out at a very rapid rate. It would be very easy to see and hear, and there would be no guess work needed! My advice would be to make sure that you understand how a part works and how to diagnose mechanical issues properly before you slate it on a public forum, otherwise people will not believe a word you say. The bleed was fine. I used a bucket bleed(and I realize this isn't the best way to bleed, but I'm really good at it), and tried to get it to work for the longest time...then gave up, put the 04 mag master back on, 4 minutes later it was rebled in the same bucket and working 100%. The only thing that this proves is that bath bleeds are unreliable. Just because you can get it to work with maggies doesn't mean it is a good method! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simpson Posted May 17, 2010 Report Share Posted May 17, 2010 My advice would be to make sure that you understand how a part works and how to diagnose mechanical issues properly before you slate it on a public forum, otherwise people will not believe a word you say. The only thing that this proves is that bath bleeds are unreliable. Just because you can get it to work with maggies doesn't mean it is a good method! True and True There are 2 main disadvantages of bath bleeds - 1 - Identifying leaks is hard cos' everything so damm wet (although it can make it easyer because the water "spits" away from the non air tight part, but I'll excuse you if you don't notice that) 2- You can accidently put a shit load of air in without realising very easily, I've bled brakes in fountains, swimming pools.... etc, but even in a nice even bath I can f**k up too easily. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weirdoku Posted May 18, 2010 Report Share Posted May 18, 2010 True and True There are 2 main disadvantages of bath bleeds - 1 - Identifying leaks is hard cos' everything so damm wet (although it can make it easyer because the water "spits" away from the non air tight part, but I'll excuse you if you don't notice that) 2- You can accidently put a shit load of air in without realising very easily, I've bled brakes in fountains, swimming pools.... etc, but even in a nice even bath I can f**k up too easily. 2 - If the lever and cylinder is fully submerged in water you wouldn't have that problem! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simpson Posted May 18, 2010 Report Share Posted May 18, 2010 2 - If the lever and cylinder is fully submerged in water you wouldn't have that problem! Its really not that simple Sav sometimes you can do everything right... but it won't always work 1st time! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weirdoku Posted May 18, 2010 Report Share Posted May 18, 2010 Its really not that simple Sav sometimes you can do everything right... but it won't always work 1st time! Bath bleeds are so easy though! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simpson Posted May 18, 2010 Report Share Posted May 18, 2010 Bath bleeds are so easy though! Sav.... youv'e met me... youv'e seen me fall flat on my face and get dragged along the floor... because I failed to bunnyhop a cerb.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weirdoku Posted May 18, 2010 Report Share Posted May 18, 2010 Sav.... youv'e met me... youv'e seen me fall flat on my face and get dragged along the floor... because I failed to bunnyhop and spell a cerb.... Lolololol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason222 Posted May 18, 2010 Author Report Share Posted May 18, 2010 (edited) I just rebled another brake in 5 minutes...swapped my 04 magura master for an 05 one. No air in the line. I had a look at it again, and I think I figured out what was wrong with the echo TR. When I bled it, I used a small bucket and did up the master valve when I was pushing air out the slaves, and I had the master in my hand and out of the bucket(with the bleed bolt closed at the master). What I think happened was that it was leaking as I pumped the brake, so every time I'd pump the brake, a small amount of water would leak out...and air would get in. Edited May 18, 2010 by Jason222 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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