superjay Posted May 12, 2010 Report Share Posted May 12, 2010 ok i can understand the price of a frame been £220 (the echo one i want) but some of the other things don't add up, a bash plate £20 thats a fair price but a brake booster £30, my points is some of the prices of things don't add up for what they are, it looks like they price what they want for things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FINDUS Posted May 13, 2010 Report Share Posted May 13, 2010 ok i can understand the price of a frame been £220 (the echo one i want) but some of the other things don't add up, a bash plate £20 thats a fair price but a brake booster £30, my points is some of the prices of things don't add up for what they are, it looks like they price what they want for things. The price is set on how much it cost to make the item, bash plate is a simple thing to make where as a brake booster depending on the type is a little more work. It tends to be the lighter and stronger the item the more it will cost! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Vandart Posted May 13, 2010 Report Share Posted May 13, 2010 Welcome to the capitalist economy............... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Griffiths Posted May 13, 2010 Report Share Posted May 13, 2010 It is more than likely that there is a huge 100% or 200% markup on trials products as they are specialist products and not many places sell them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superjay Posted May 13, 2010 Author Report Share Posted May 13, 2010 well lets face as with anything you want the best stuff you got to pay the top price, im just sick of not been able to afford the stuff i want then you have to rich kids round here who just buy them cause they can and never intend to ride them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Rainbird Posted May 13, 2010 Report Share Posted May 13, 2010 A full bike at 2k for top of the range kit is a lot of money, but not so much when you compare that to if you were to take part in another sport like sailing, racing etc, even the other MTB disciplines such as XC and DH will blow the bank far more than trials will. Then again, nobody is forcing you to pay that much. Boosters aren't essential for one, and there are cheaper options available It is more than likely that there is a huge 100% or 200% markup on trials products as they are specialist products and not many places sell them. Clearly not so much as you might like to think in a lot of cases.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matthew_coggan Posted May 13, 2010 Report Share Posted May 13, 2010 Yes prices of some things are hight for waht they are, but all i would say is buy 2nd hand get stuff alot cheaper as trials stuff from new depreciates loads. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan6061 Posted May 13, 2010 Report Share Posted May 13, 2010 Retailers don't just make up the prices as they go along, they don't get it all for free and make pure profit on everything. They buy the products in for 'X' amount, and have to sell them at 'Y' amount to make a decent profit percentage. A booster would have a lot more machine work gone into it in production. Seeing as it's designed to take stress off of your frame, a decent booster (Heatsink ones, for example) go through stress analysis, to see how effective it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeanuckleJive Posted May 14, 2010 Report Share Posted May 14, 2010 Stuff about stuff and stuff It's painful how long it took for a real answer to come round! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Dark Posted May 14, 2010 Report Share Posted May 14, 2010 Bionic python copy.. £48 from BTS...to buy a similar frame over here, think Zona Zip probably £150 odd? British economy for you...weak pound and high import tax Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Vandart Posted May 14, 2010 Report Share Posted May 14, 2010 well lets face as with anything you want the best stuff you got to pay the top price, im just sick of not been able to afford the stuff i want then you have to rich kids round here who just buy them cause they can and never intend to ride them Just wait till they get bored then buy it off them. Yes prices of some things are hight for waht they are, but all i would say is buy 2nd hand get stuff alot cheaper as trials stuff from new depreciates loads. Your just a tight fuka Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrewb Posted May 15, 2010 Report Share Posted May 15, 2010 ok i can understand the price of a frame been £220 (the echo one i want) but some of the other things don't add up, a bash plate £20 thats a fair price but a brake booster £30, my points is some of the prices of things don't add up for what they are, it looks like they price what they want for things. ye i know what you mean alot of things are over priced Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigjames Posted May 15, 2010 Report Share Posted May 15, 2010 Bionic python copy.. £48 from BTS...to buy a similar frame over here, think Zona Zip probably £150 odd? British economy for you...weak pound and high import tax We also earn a lot more over here.... swings and roundabouts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Dark Posted May 16, 2010 Report Share Posted May 16, 2010 We also earn a lot more over here.... swings and roundabouts. True Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simpson Posted May 16, 2010 Report Share Posted May 16, 2010 Your just a tight fuka Been riding 7 years'ish, had tens of bikes, brought 1 frame new.... 1 set of forks new (no warrantee no tax jobbies) etc.... just makes sence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougal Posted May 17, 2010 Report Share Posted May 17, 2010 ok i can understand the price of a frame been £220 (the echo one i want) but some of the other things don't add up, a bash plate £20 thats a fair price but a brake booster £30, my points is some of the prices of things don't add up for what they are, it looks like they price what they want for things. As said before the amount of work and materials used to make the products will effect the price dramaticly. However one way about the price problem is by being close friends with your local bike shop, pro riders etc. They can pick up parts cheaper at "trade price" and sell the part to you without making a profit which we know as "retail price". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superjay Posted May 17, 2010 Author Report Share Posted May 17, 2010 As said before the amount of work and materials used to make the products will effect the price dramaticly. However one way about the price problem is by being close friends with your local bike shop, pro riders etc. They can pick up parts cheaper at "trade price" and sell the part to you without making a profit which we know as "retail price". bike shops round here don't do trials parts, and i don't know the pros Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
totaltrials Posted May 18, 2010 Report Share Posted May 18, 2010 As said before the amount of work and materials used to make the products will effect the price dramaticly. However one way about the price problem is by being close friends with your local bike shop, pro riders etc. They can pick up parts cheaper at "trade price" and sell the part to you without making a profit which we know as "retail price". And who does that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OD404 Posted May 18, 2010 Report Share Posted May 18, 2010 It's not just the materials and time needed to make a part that needs to be considered, you also need to think about the time taken to design it in the first place. If you pay someone £x's an hour to design you something, then those costs need to be factored into the final cost of the item, as well as any capital costs like purchacing machinery or design software etc. Sure a crappy component might not have had much design effort put into it, which may mean it costs a lot less to buy, but if you want a well designed part that has been properly tested then unfortunately someone has to pay for that effort, and that someone is always the customer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark W Posted May 18, 2010 Report Share Posted May 18, 2010 Bionic python copy.. £48 from BTS...to buy a similar frame over here, think Zona Zip probably £150 odd? British economy for you...weak pound and high import tax Not really just that. The Bionic Python copy isn't going to be made in the same place as the new Lynx frames, so it's not actually a direct copy. As a result, the build quality may (and probably will...) be different. Equally, you won't get a warranty from Biketrialsellar which is obviously going to impact on the price of the frame. The tax does have a big impact on it too though. Similarly, I'd imagine that the running costs of, say, a business like our's would be quite a bit higher than BTS judging from the difference in ordering systems and so on. Same goes for packaging and posting items too - been some pretty shocking displays of that on OTN. All I'm getting at is that it's not really a fair comparison in any way at all, and doesn't really justify whether UK RRPs should be higher, lower, or what they are... It is more than likely that there is a huge 100% or 200% markup on trials products as they are specialist products and not many places sell them. If that was the case, I wouldn't be driving a haggard second hand Rover to work every day Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superjay Posted May 18, 2010 Author Report Share Posted May 18, 2010 It's not just the materials and time needed to make a part that needs to be considered, you also need to think about the time taken to design it in the first place. If you pay someone £x's an hour to design you something, then those costs need to be factored into the final cost of the item, as well as any capital costs like purchacing machinery or design software etc. Sure a crappy component might not have had much design effort put into it, which may mean it costs a lot less to buy, but if you want a well designed part that has been properly tested then unfortunately someone has to pay for that effort, and that someone is always the customer. this one is a very good point. like any think in life you want the best you got to pay more it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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