Onza Zoot 26" Exclusive

[JackMeek]

I have just been on the first ride of a bike a fair few people know as a 24" frame. This is a 26" version and is the schinizzle. Follow link for pics.

http://www.jackmeek.co.uk/blog/index.php?id=607848166948481477

Comments and Questions would be great towards this new frame.

Cheers jack meek

[philgresty]

looks sweet, like an old atomz evo3

[chimpanzyyyy]

looks awesome jack

what's the geo?

[JackMeek]

looks awesome jack

what's the geo?

Working out. See what Onza says and then im going to mesaure it up when i get moment at work.

[Mark W]

"Total contender against the Fourplay" is probably not quite an accurate statement, although not as inaccurate or non-sensical as "laughing at the price tag anything koxx"...

Mike kinda ruined your 'exclusive' a few days ago too, although I guess this one's built up.

[JackMeek]

"Total contender against the Fourplay" is probably not quite an accurate statement, although not as inaccurate or non-sensical as "laughing at the price tag anything koxx"...

Mike kinda ruined your 'exclusive' a few days ago too, although I guess this one's built up.

I think its pretty Acurrate from my opinion. If you know else why its not a contender against a four play do let me know mark. Look forward to the vids of people who ride them. Whats not acurate about the company with the price tag for Koxx karbon which is what i was riding at £1500-1700 at the time and a Onza zoot..... Im talking about the frame.

Exclusive not ruined. like you said first one built up.

[Mark W]

I was thinking in terms of build quality and the actual design as much as anything. I mean, the Zoot full build costs only a bit more than the Inspired frame only, and when you compare the two frames together you can see how that's come about. The Zoot's an awesome bike for the money though, and it's hopefully going to help a lot of people get into 24" riding who might otherwise be priced out of it. Hope the same's true for the 26" model too.

With the Koxx statement, I just didn't know what you meant 'cos the actual way you wrote it doesn't make sense.

[JackMeek]

I know my english lang is in dire need of some help. I do apologise for that.

I did not know the price difference between the rrp was in favour to the fourplay. Is that what that tarty or other places as well?

I rode james porters inspired and i could not get off the thing. Now onza made this 26" street/trial bike its just blown me away. Got to get my mate tull over and we can knock up a vid.

Edited May 10, 2010 by JackMeek

[Mark W]

I did not know the price difference between the rrp was in favour to the fourplay. Is that what that tarty or other places as well?

Don't quite get what you mean there - I was saying that the Inspired frame only is a £100-odd less than the Zoot full build, so the frame itself is going to be higher quality. In terms of full builds though, the Zoot's obviously a load cheaper than the cheapest Fourplay spec.

[JackMeek]

Wires crossed all the way so far mark ha ha ha.

I thought you were talking about like for like. frame price angainst other frame price. The quality is with out a doubt very high on the four play agreed. Where are the fourplay frames made mark? What do you think makes them better than the other frames out there?

To me its a nice strong frame just wondering if you can make me more of a fan. Yours looks nice on the brakless vid.

[Rusevelt]

Basically an affordable inspired clone which come as great news for those on a real tight budget. 

[monty-james]

Looks nice

[Mark W]

thought you were talking about like for like. frame price angainst other frame price. The quality is with out a doubt very high on the four play agreed. Where are the fourplay frames made mark? What do you think makes them better than the other frames out there?

Fourplays are made in Taiwan as far as I know. Dave's been over to the factory there and said he was pretty amazed at how serious they are about making frames there - he thought they were just sort of 'putting it on' for him being there, but it's just how they make them all. Pretty much every aspect of the frame's been made to be as good as it possibly can be, which is why so, so many of them have sold yet there've been virtually no returns of them at all. I've been working here for 8 months now and we've sold a ridiculous amount of frames and full bikes in that time with no issues with the frames whatsoever. Inspired worked hard to make sure that all the traditional weakspots of frames have been taken care of, and it's worked out well in practise too. There's a lot of attention to detail throughout it. The geometry on them's ideal too, and lends itself well to more 'proper' trials as well as BMXy stuff depending on which bar/stem setup you use. It's just a good, strong, versatile frame.

[manuel]

Press play then read....

"Pretty much every aspect of the frame's been made to be as good as it possibly can be, which is why so, so many of them have sold yet there've been virtually no returns of them at all. I've been working here for 8 months now and we've sold a ridiculous amount of frames and full bikes in that time with no issues with the frames whatsoever. Inspired worked hard to make sure that all the traditional weakspots of frames have been taken care of, and it's worked out well in practise too. There's a lot of attention to detail throughout it. The geometry on them's ideal too, and lends itself well to more 'proper' trials as well as BMXy stuff depending on which bar/stem setup you use. It's just a good, strong, versatile frame."

[Alex Dark]

Patriotic mick-taking post

[JackMeek]

Rowan your so funny. I love it.

I understood what mark is saying about quality. It is good period.

Whats is the break down of all the geo of the frame only with 400mm with 25 off set rake fork? Is there going to be a 26" four play?

[Dan Clark]

Yes there will be.

[Mark W]

*stuff*

Rowan your so funny. I love it.

I understood what mark is saying about quality. It is good period.

Whats is the break down of all the geo of the frame only with 400mm with 25 off set rake fork? Is there going to be a 26" four play?

Not too sure about the geo on the 24". The 26" one's been being tested by Ali for the past 7 months now. Should be out reasonably soon, hopefully...

[eskimo]

Looks alright, seems a bit low though.

[Akira_Shock!]

Not liking the new Zoots one bit. Look not too far off cheap Saracens to me. Seriously. Who cares about the built in pivotal post, that's just a gimmick and pretty pointless... cos a normal seattube would do just fine if not better.

Inspired are unspeakably better than the new Zoots. It's not even funny

[Mark W]

Not liking the new Zoots one bit. Look not too far off cheap Saracens to me. Seriously. Who cares about the built in pivotal post, that's just a gimmick and pretty pointless... cos a normal seattube would do just fine if not better.

Hmm, not so sure I agree about the post - it's a pretty neat little add-on since almost everyone who runs 24s (or 26" street bikes, I guess) runs a pivotal post slammed in their frame, so it's a cool little way to save weight and have a nicer, tidier setup. If you want to run a railed seat on it instead, there are quite a few companies in the BMX world who make adapters to sit on a Pivotal post to accept rails, and in pretty much all cases they look smaller, neater and tidier than traditional railed posts. It's a pity the post length on the Zoot's a little bit longer than 'slammed', but that can't be helped I guess. There's still the option to cut the top of the post off, slot the back of the seat tube and run a traditional clamp and post setup.

In person, they also look nothing like the Saracen range. We had a Zoot go out earlier today and I had a quick look and they do look really good. Some really good quality parts on what seems to be quite a nice frame, at a really good price point - pretty ideal from a retailer and customer's point of view.

[Akira_Shock!]

I still think they could've focused more on other parts of the frame to improve it rather than bunging a gimmicky pivotal built in. Just like you said, it's not at a slammed height, not so ideal. Oh well.

On another note

24" trials bikes in general... seeing how Danny Mac and all the Tarty riders can thrash about as if its like a BMX.... but yet can STILL do trials on them... Does that not completely say: 24" "street" MTBs... e.g. DMRs, etc.. are just flatout outclassed? Serious question

'Cos it seems judging by Mac's riding, an Inspired with a bunch of triasly parts can easily hold its own on the streets or in a skatepark. Sure DMRs and those other fugly 24" MTB/Street/dirt bikes can do that,.. but they can't do trials.

Serious question, and I'm very curious about peoples' responses and opinions of this.

[Mark W]

Almost every "street" 24" bike I've ridden has felt like shit, apart from a full ti build from some foreign sponsored dude at the Nissan Qashqai challenge gig. They all came and rode Southbank after the comp was over and we rode with them, and the only one that felt even vaguely BMXy was a fully rigid 24" from some German or Czech rider. Anything with sus forks on seems to just feel heavy and sluggish, and the geometry on them just makes them a bit to actually do tech spinny stuff. Just doing fly-out 180s or 360s isn't really a test of BMXy stuff... So yeah, I'd say that bikes like the Inspired do sort of dominate them in terms of actually doing trialsy/BMXy stuff, but the gearing obviously lets them down a bit on 'proper' BMXy moves. They're both a compromise, but I'd say 24" Inspired style bikes do ride better for it.

[Akira_Shock!]

So in essence, Mark, what you're saying is 24" 'street' bikes with those horrid sus forks and fugly frame designs... are just totally inferior to 24" trials bikes? Inspired, Deng, Because, Zoot, etc..

http://mongoosemountainbikes.co.cc/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/Mongoose-Ritual-Street-Bike-09.jpg

^like this munter?

So the only downside you listed about triasly 24"s, is... gearing. So say we just slap gears on the back which is easily done. Then that takes that disadvtange away. So am I right in saying that Trials 24"s are in every single way superior ride-wise? 'Cos they do Trials better, Spin better, are lighter, and way better looking. So what is the point of 24" street bikes now. Seriously.

Unless.... do Inspireds or other trials 24s DIRT JUMP on the trails well? I'm sure they must do?

[Mark W]

For the most part, yeah. The higher BBs and shorter CSs of the 24" trials frames mean that they just feel more lively and nimble. Notice how most BMXs have really short back ends and high BBs, not ground-scraping BB drop and barge-like rear stays. Over big jumps they might help out, but for streety stuff Inspireds, etc. are nicer. I quite like my Inspired on the pump track at Lee Quarry too - feels good in the air for definite. Really chuckable and flicky compared to other 24" bikes I've ridden.