Ash-Kennard Posted April 3, 2010 Report Share Posted April 3, 2010 (edited) Right for coursework at uni this lecturer has given us a load of problems to do on an on-line test. He has taught us very little about the subject. Showed my dad the notes we were given and he said they were piss poor. And what is worse the questions are on different subjects of engineering. So basically I was wondering if anyone could help me. Either on here or on msn or something. I've been trying to do these questions for a week now, and i have come up with 2 answers total, and they could definitely be wrong lol. This is the first one: The problem statement, all variables and given/known data A bullet of mass 0.04kg is fired horizontally into a wooden block of mass 0.09kg. the wooden block is suspended from the ceiling by a long string. after an impact the bullet is embedded in the block and bullet and the block swing together until the block is 0.10m above its initial position. A) Find the velocity of the bullet and block just after impact. Find the initial velocity of the bullet Relevant equations these may not be the right equations but i am out of ideas mu + MU = ( m + M ) v ( 1/ 2) (m + M ) v ^ 2 = ( m + M ) gh The attempt at a solution This has taken question has taken me a long time and the method i used has given me a very unexpected answer... I found some similar working online, but I'm not convinced. mass of bullet m = 0.04 kg mass of block M = 0.09 kg maximum height reachs by block h = 0.1 m from law of conservation of momentum , mu + MU = ( m + M ) v mu + 0 = ( m + M ) v where U = initial velocity of the block = 0 u = the initial speed of the bullet = ? u = ( m+ M ) v / m = 3.25 v ---( 1) from law of conservation of energy , Kinetic energy of the bullet block system just after collision = potentia energy at maximumheight h ( 1/ 2) (m + M ) v ^ 2 = ( m + M ) gh from this speed of the system just after collision v = √[ 2gh ] = 1.4 m / s plug this in eq ( 1) we get initial velocity of the bullet u = 3.25*1.4 = 4.55 m / s is this right? Edited April 3, 2010 by Ash-Kennard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laurence--Trials Posted April 3, 2010 Report Share Posted April 3, 2010 Ok This means nothing to me, but to me sounds like its time for a 'piratical' . Do it then surely you have you answer if u have camera's metering tape and things? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hannah Shucksmith Posted April 3, 2010 Report Share Posted April 3, 2010 Ok This means nothing to me, but to me sounds like its time for a 'piratical' . Do it then surely you have you answer if u have camera's metering tape and things? wut. a 'piratical'? you cretin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ash-Kennard Posted April 3, 2010 Author Report Share Posted April 3, 2010 what? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simpson Posted April 3, 2010 Report Share Posted April 3, 2010 Ok This means nothing to me, but to me sounds like its time for a 'piratical' . Do it then surely you have you answer if u have camera's metering tape and things? Oh yea give Ash a gun... great idea dipshit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeanuckleJive Posted April 3, 2010 Report Share Posted April 3, 2010 Ok This means nothing to me, but to me sounds like its time for a 'piratical' . Do it then surely you have you answer if u have camera's metering tape and things? I facepalmed so hard at that. I won't even begin to explain how stupid a suggestion it is >.< That question does sound a bit dumb, and very ambiguous it appears to me that it's saying "the block swings and when it stops, it's 10cm higher than when it started" but surely when it stops, it will be at the starting position (lowest point)? Or does it mean the highest point of the swing is 10cm? it's hard to tell. I'm afraid I can't help but i did notice the working you put on the end has a flaw in it the question says the block ends 0.10m above inital starting position, in your equation you've put the value in as 0.01m above, try adjusting that if you haven't already Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Rainbird Posted April 3, 2010 Report Share Posted April 3, 2010 Ok This means nothing to me, but to me sounds like its time for a 'piratical' . Do it then surely you have you answer if u have camera's metering tape and things? Are you honsestly that stupid or are you attempting to be funny? Ash - I'll have a look after food if I get a chance and nobody else has hooked you up mate 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ash-Kennard Posted April 3, 2010 Author Report Share Posted April 3, 2010 (edited) I facepalmed so hard at that. I won't even begin to explain how stupid a suggestion it is >.< That question does sound a bit dumb, and very ambiguous it appears to me that it's saying "the block swings and when it stops, it's 10cm higher than when it started" but surely when it stops, it will be at the starting position (lowest point)? Or does it mean the highest point of the swing is 10cm? it's hard to tell. I'm afraid I can't help but i did notice the working you put on the end has a flaw in it the question says the block ends 0.10m above inital starting position, in your equation you've put the value in as 0.01m above, try adjusting that if you haven't already ahh thank you i wrote it down wrong. it is meant to be 0.1 m. and im assuming it means the highest point. cheers for that ill change it now EDIT: YAY LUKEYYY Edited April 3, 2010 by Ash-Kennard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Posted April 3, 2010 Report Share Posted April 3, 2010 Looks like you need UVATS (s=ut+1/2at^2 etc...) and formulas such as F=ma? Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeanuckleJive Posted April 3, 2010 Report Share Posted April 3, 2010 ahh thank you i wrote it down wrong. it is meant to be 0.1 m. and im assuming it means the highest point. cheers for that ill change it now awesomesauce, hopefully that'll sort you out thing is, I bet they'll try to put you off by having an answer totally non-typical of a real bullet velocity Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadManMike Posted April 3, 2010 Report Share Posted April 3, 2010 It's definitely time for a piractical. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeanuckleJive Posted April 3, 2010 Report Share Posted April 3, 2010 It's definitely time for a piractical. you mean ARRR MATIES! It be time for a piratical! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ash-Kennard Posted April 3, 2010 Author Report Share Posted April 3, 2010 It's definitely time for a piractical. there is only 1 'c' in piratical. mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dirt jumper jake Posted April 3, 2010 Report Share Posted April 3, 2010 isnt velocity V=IR? i can check if you like cos my mums a physics technician shes got books on all shit like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ash-Kennard Posted April 3, 2010 Author Report Share Posted April 3, 2010 isnt velocity V=IR? i can check if you like cos my mums a physics technician shes got books on all shit like that. i believe that means that the Voltage is equal to the Current multiplied by the Resistance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dirt jumper jake Posted April 3, 2010 Report Share Posted April 3, 2010 ok ill have a look for you :L Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobinJI Posted April 3, 2010 Report Share Posted April 3, 2010 Sure does, good old ohms law. UVATS sounds about right. I'll take a look sometime when I'm not knackered if you want and Luke hasn't sorted you out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadManMike Posted April 3, 2010 Report Share Posted April 3, 2010 there is only 1 'c' in piratical. mike Damn, my spelling sucks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ash-Kennard Posted April 3, 2010 Author Report Share Posted April 3, 2010 cheers guys. i have a couple more for you that i cant do too. but ill put those up tomorrow as im up early tomorrow. cheers for your help guys (except lawrence trials lol) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadManMike Posted April 3, 2010 Report Share Posted April 3, 2010 To be honest your quesiton could have been in dutch for all I know - that kinda thing means nothing to me! Not suprised you asked for help lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Revolver Posted April 3, 2010 Report Share Posted April 3, 2010 Arrr... Piratical it be! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hI-OOPS-CAPS Posted April 3, 2010 Report Share Posted April 3, 2010 maybe try centripetal acceleration. string would suggest it moves circular. nice copy and paste from physicsforums Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ash-Kennard Posted April 3, 2010 Author Report Share Posted April 3, 2010 maybe try centripetal acceleration. string would suggest it moves circular. nice copy and paste from physicsforums well yeah, i posted it there first, but got no response, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Vandart Posted April 4, 2010 Report Share Posted April 4, 2010 It's very early in the morning, but I think it would be handy to know the length of the string. I'm not sure if this is necessary as I have: A: Not woken up yet B: Not had a cup of tea C: Not had my nicotine E: Not eaten all the kids easter eggs I can and will look at it again, later after the above, you should get hold of Cormac (Psycholist) for sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manuel Posted April 4, 2010 Report Share Posted April 4, 2010 I concur with root 2 and 3.25root2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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