LauraPalmer Posted March 10, 2010 Report Share Posted March 10, 2010 (edited) I got my new Hydroxx LT and i love it! but due to its very high bottom bracket (55 mm) the usual 18:15 379mm deal is a bit aggressiv. I tried 18:15 391 and with the TNN brake clamps and a super brand new chain it seemed to work - but chains stretch, so... thats not going to happen... So it should be 384 with 17:14; CK in the rear is history - which would have been the most easy way... but: not going back from FFW ever... I`m running an ENO trial at the moment, so my thought was, just buing the 17 outer teeth from WI and putting it on my ENO trial internals - voila everything is easy - at least i thought that; to make sure this works i asked at WI and they told me it just doesn´t hold up! They told me the trials internals would put more stress on it and it would fail quite fast - i don´t get the physics behind that, but i kind of belive them to know about their product... and running a normal ENO 17 tooth with 36 engagement points is something i don´t want to consider... So my first real question is: Has anybody done this (ENO trials internals with 17 outer teeth ) before? if yes - how did it work? and has anyone used the 17 tooth ENO as it comes for trials - if yes how did it hold up confronted with what riding style? next possibility: running a half link; I`ve seen it on Stan Shaw`s (feel free to answer!) bike , but i kind of just don´t dare... how would it hold up, if standard half-link chains tend to let their owners face die? I´m running Z510HX chains (1/8") btw with a 1/8" cog on the rear; I would consider myself as being hard to my drivetrain - i change chains a least every three months... So, second question: how do the chains of halflink-users hold up? please with riding style, weight, chain used, and if chain is used till it snaps and so on... and now something I´m also far away from being comfortable with - the TryAll 17 teeth FW; I don´t trust them. I got my Hydroxx as a complete bike, but didn´t even think about keeping that freewheel (18t) - it feels just cheap and i have heard a lot of bad things about them - well that was about the 18t version; 17t can only be worse? I still remember the (short) time when Vincent tried to run 16:14 with the TA freewheel - everyone remember it exploding during the comp? So, any 17:14 users with the TA fw (Hydroxx II was delivered this way i think) out there? How did it work -also please with riding style, weight... Any other thoughts about this little problem? (to all the "just go out, ride your bike and have fun - that´s it all about"-trials-emo-fags: i do that, i love it, but it´s the same with riding a girl - i want maximum pleasure while doing it...) Edited March 10, 2010 by wimmeretz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Revolver Posted March 10, 2010 Report Share Posted March 10, 2010 Two things - running one half link is fine, and you could always knock up a spoke tensioner or a 74kingz style thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LauraPalmer Posted March 10, 2010 Author Report Share Posted March 10, 2010 you could always knock up a spoke tensioner or a 74kingz style thing. thanks for that point - which i forgot in my little novel; since i got my Echo TR snails (with the small teeth), i don´t want to consider that anymore - setting up chain tension with them is so easy and nice... wouldn´t you be afraid that one halflink could snap? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Revolver Posted March 10, 2010 Report Share Posted March 10, 2010 wouldn´t you be afraid that one halflink could snap? It could, but it's a lot easier to keep an eye on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al_Fel Posted March 10, 2010 Report Share Posted March 10, 2010 I got my new Hydroxx LT and i love it! but due to its very high bottom bracket (55 mm) the usual 18:15 379mm deal is a bit aggressiv. I tried 18:15 391 and with the TNN brake clamps and a super brand new chain it seemed to work - but chains stretch, so... thats not going to happen... So it should be 384 with 17:14; CK in the rear is history - which would have been the most easy way... but: not going back from FFW ever... I`m running an ENO trial at the moment, so my thought was, just buing the 17 outer teeth from WI and putting it on my ENO trial internals - voila everything is easy - at least i thought that; to make sure this works i asked at WI and they told me it just doesn´t hold up! They told me the trials internals would put more stress on it and it would fail quite fast - i don´t get the physics behind that, but i kind of belive them to know about their product... and running a normal ENO 17 tooth with 36 engagement points is something i don´t want to consider... So my first real question is: Has anybody done this (ENO trials internals with 17 outer teeth ) before? if yes - how did it work? and has anyone used the 17 tooth ENO as it comes for trials - if yes how did it hold up confronted with what riding style? next possibility: running a half link; I`ve seen it on Stan Shaw`s (feel free to answer!) bike , but i kind of just don´t dare... how would it hold up, if standard half-link chains tend to let their owners face die? I´m running Z510HX chains (1/8") btw with a 1/8" cog on the rear; I would consider myself as being hard to my drivetrain - i change chains a least every three months... So, second question: how do the chains of halflink-users hold up? please with riding style, weight, chain used, and if chain is used till it snaps and so on... and now something I´m also far away from being comfortable with - the TryAll 17 teeth FW; I don´t trust them. I got my Hydroxx as a complete bike, but didn´t even think about keeping that freewheel (18t) - it feels just cheap and i have heard a lot of bad things about them - well that was about the 18t version; 17t can only be worse? I still remember the (short) time when Vincent tried to run 16:14 with the TA freewheel - everyone remember it exploding during the comp? So, any 17:14 users with the TA fw (Hydroxx II was delivered this way i think) out there? How did it work -also please with riding style, weight... Any other thoughts about this little problem? (to all the "just go out, ride your bike and have fun - that´s it all about"-trials-emo-fags: i do that, i love it, but it´s the same with riding a girl - i want maximum pleasure while doing it...) Mr Tart came up with a great solution to this problem on the hydroxx he's riding at the moment. He used 2 bits of D shaped alu to sit in the drop outs to stop the wheel moving forward. Then he used a spoke as a tensioner and it works great. http://www.trials-forum.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=148296&st=0&p=2083721&hl=spoke%20tensioner&fromsearch=1&#entry2083721 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyoli Posted March 10, 2010 Report Share Posted March 10, 2010 I broke my try-all 17t freewheel in 4 ridings with no dents or bad use, only riding; so i don't recomend it. Then I bought a monty freewheel (18 t) and I had enough tyre clearence. then, I bought a Kenda Nevegal 2.5 and I had >1 mm of tyre clearence Forgot to say I ride a 14 T rear cog Hope it helps Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LauraPalmer Posted March 10, 2010 Author Report Share Posted March 10, 2010 It could, but it's a lot easier to keep an eye on. hmm - that´s right on the other hand... I broke my try-all 17t freewheel in 4 ridings with no dents or bad use, only riding; so i don't recomend it. Then I bought a monty freewheel (18 t) and I had enough tyre clearence. then, I bought a Kenda Nevegal 2.5 and I had >1 mm of tyre clearence Forgot to say I ride a 14 T rear cog Hope it helps would have loved to hear something different, but to be true i didn´t expect anything else... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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