shetlandtrialsrider Posted February 28, 2010 Report Share Posted February 28, 2010 Hi I am looking at the rockman manus or the Gu le dual disc on tartybikes. Which one would be the better bike for riding abit of everything (mainly street), and which would be the lightest. any other suggestions would be good to. Thanks James Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josh barker Posted February 28, 2010 Report Share Posted February 28, 2010 GU, super strong frames Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kieran@ZSClothing Posted February 28, 2010 Report Share Posted February 28, 2010 rockman are super expensive and very weak not very good for street i would go for gu... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark W Posted February 28, 2010 Report Share Posted February 28, 2010 You and Rockman still getting on alright then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shetlandtrialsrider Posted February 28, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 28, 2010 rockman are super expensive and very weak not very good for street i would go for gu... ok kl thanks for that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Bob Posted February 28, 2010 Report Share Posted February 28, 2010 (edited) Go for the gu, like £150 cheaper, stronger so will last, and imo looks nicer. Although if your a weight weenie go for the manus. However my opinion will be biased as i ride a gu lol. Both are great frames. Edited February 28, 2010 by Mr Bob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crispyboy Posted February 28, 2010 Report Share Posted February 28, 2010 Dont listen to kieran hes just angry there awesome frames and they are strong. Awesome geo aswell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kieran@ZSClothing Posted February 28, 2010 Report Share Posted February 28, 2010 You and Rockman still getting on alright then? this has nothing to do with rockman being shit.... He is looking for a frame to ride street on not one that will snap in 5 mins:) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shetlandtrialsrider Posted February 28, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 28, 2010 Dont listen to kieran hes just angry there awesome frames and they are strong. Awesome geo aswell lol ok Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crispyboy Posted February 28, 2010 Report Share Posted February 28, 2010 this has nothing to do with rockman being shit.... He is looking for a frame to ride street on not one that will snap in 5 mins:) Mines lasted for longer than that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark W Posted February 28, 2010 Report Share Posted February 28, 2010 We've sold a lot of Rockman frames that are all a fair bit over 5 minutes old and haven't had any of the mod frames back to my knowledge. Maybe one or two, but that's about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kieran@ZSClothing Posted February 28, 2010 Report Share Posted February 28, 2010 Dont listen to kieran hes just angry there awesome frames and they are strong. Awesome geo aswell thats why my maladie snaped in 4 places in no time...... rockman is more suited for comp riding.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josh barker Posted February 28, 2010 Report Share Posted February 28, 2010 its worth askink padarik on here he has a good gu frame for sale Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weirdoku Posted February 28, 2010 Report Share Posted February 28, 2010 We've sold a lot of Rockman frames that are all a fair bit over 5 minutes old and haven't had any of the mod frames back to my knowledge. Maybe one or two, but that's about it. Cos everyone is scared to ride them just incase they snap/crack Rockman has cool frames just too expensive. I'd say get the LE. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kieran@ZSClothing Posted February 28, 2010 Report Share Posted February 28, 2010 Cos everyone is scared to ride them just CUZ THEY WILL snap AND crack Rockman has cool frames just too expensive. I'd say get the LE. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shetlandtrialsrider Posted February 28, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 28, 2010 Thanks for your help guys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stunt man t Posted February 28, 2010 Report Share Posted February 28, 2010 its worth askink padarik on here he has a good gu frame for sale wasnt that a stock frame he had? id defo get a gu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DannyBazz (: Posted February 28, 2010 Report Share Posted February 28, 2010 wasnt that a stock frame he had? id defo get a gu Yeah Paddys is a stock. I'd go GU- Cheaper, better value for money, stronger, been in the game alot longer than Rockman, and Mr Deng knows his stuff. Or at least how to work a CNC machine. Rockman are pretty new, expensive, and aimed at rich comp riders who change bikes every 5 minutes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laurent Posted February 28, 2010 Report Share Posted February 28, 2010 Yeah Paddys is a stock. I'd go GU- Cheaper, better value for money, stronger, been in the game alot longer than Rockman, and Mr Deng knows his stuff. Or at least how to work a CNC machine. Rockman are pretty new, expensive, and aimed at rich comp riders who change bikes every 5 minutes guys you are a bit unfair and Manichaean. Rockman maybe make "comp bikes", but regarding the price of a koxx, or other brands, it's not so expensive. Of course, if you aim to bash your bike, a light frame can't handle it. Neither a rockman nor echo control for example. You can't have a light frame and a "bash proof" frame in the same time. (That's why for example the atomz quark 2 will be a bit heavier than the first one.) It's your own choice. That doesn't mean rockman's frames are weak.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shetlandtrialsrider Posted February 28, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 28, 2010 kk makes sence Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DannyBazz (: Posted February 28, 2010 Report Share Posted February 28, 2010 guys you are a bit unfair and Manichaean. Rockman maybe make "comp bikes", but regarding the price of a koxx, or other brands, it's not so expensive. Of course, if you aim to bash your bike, a light frame can't handle it. Neither a rockman nor echo control for example. You can't have a light frame and a "bash proof" frame in the same time. (That's why for example the atomz quark 2 will be a bit heavier than the first one.) It's your own choice. That doesn't mean rockman's frames are weak.. Come on, they're about 1.4kg, whereas the GU is about 1.8kg... That's 400g extra, which means there's more meat on the frame, which means its stronger. The only reason rockmans haven't cracked is because they're ridden by serious competition riders, and the street bashers who do have them haven't ridden them for along time to snap them Except Kieran. Who's just a street machine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laurent Posted February 28, 2010 Report Share Posted February 28, 2010 i'm not sure you can say that a 1.4kg frame is stronger than a 1.8kg frame. I'm not an engineer, but i assume there is a lot of parameter to take in consideration. But in my mind, a 1.4kg frame can be as strong as a 1.8 frame, depending of the shapes of the tubing, and the material used. But it worth for a frame with no dents. Because dents will decrease a lot more a lightweight frame with thin tubing than a "heavy" frame". Thaht's why lightweight frames are not for street riding, or bashers. I you want to ride this king of frame hard you have to accept to change it more often....i guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walker Posted March 1, 2010 Report Share Posted March 1, 2010 thats why my maladie snaped in 4 places in no time...... rockman is more suited for comp riding.... You were on a mission to snap that frame because you thought it was too long for you! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walker Posted March 1, 2010 Report Share Posted March 1, 2010 Rockmans are designed to be lighweight, there's no arguments there, so to fulfill this, material must be taken away from places. This is done in two ways, CNC machining and tube gauge. Rockman do save a lot of weight from clever CNC gussets and braces, but to get the extra bit of weight off the tubes must be made lighter. When it comes to what you refer to as 'strength', the rockman frame will probably be equally as stiff as the Gu, particularly the front end of the frame. However, lightweight alloys with thin wall thicknesses are greatly weakend by deformation. 6061 T6 or U6 alloy will be suseceptible to cracking if it is dented, and this is what most people refer to as 'strength'. People buy lighweight frames so that they can jump higher, 400g can make quite a difference, but then they complain that they are weak when they dent and brake. If you're going to buy any lightweight frame, then make sure you look after the downtube and chainstays as a heavy knock could lead to the end of it. Kieran, I look forward to seeing how long your Speedrace frame lasts if you ride it in the same way (only you will probably know this). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage Posted March 1, 2010 Report Share Posted March 1, 2010 I have been riding my Rockman frame for 2 months now and it still feels and rides like new. Normally after a month frames start to loose their positive feeling but mine hasn't which is a first. I also have friends that have owned a Rockman frame for nearly 12 months now and they have had no problems at all. We've sold a lot of Rockman frames that are all a fair bit over 5 minutes old and haven't had any of the mod frames back to my knowledge. Maybe one or two, but that's about it. Tarty have sold allot of Rockman frames and this is the kind of advice you need to take notice of. Not from a guy that has recently started to slate Rockman products at every opportunity possible. Come on, they're about 1.4kg, whereas the GU is about 1.8kg... That's 400g extra, which means there's more meat on the frame, which means its stronger. The only reason rockmans haven't cracked is because they're ridden by serious competition riders, and the street bashers who do have them haven't ridden them for along time to snap them I dont think thats the case at all. Im pretty sure a serious competition rider will put a bike / frame through its paces far more than a street basher would! If you have the money for a Rockman, buy it! You wont be disapointed. At the end of the day you get what you pay for, if you want a well made frame that has had time spent on it making sure it rides nice buy the Rockman. If you want a cheaper frame where very little thought has gone into how it will ride (balance points etc) buy the GU. Ben. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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