thinkdougie Posted February 1, 2010 Report Share Posted February 1, 2010 been happening for a month now, I think its since i bled my brake with water (from oil) This pain has got so intense on the base of my middle finger, I struggle to pull the brake to get onto the back wheel, my brake lever feels quite stiff and both pistons are lazy. Any ideas? Rest? and new back brake? Cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Revolver Posted February 1, 2010 Report Share Posted February 1, 2010 You might benefit from making the lever bite in a different place, or from moving the levers up or down on the bars. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark W Posted February 1, 2010 Report Share Posted February 1, 2010 Wait - middle finger? If both pistons are lazy and your brake feels like poo, maybe re-bleed it again. If you didn't get all the oil out it can make it feel a bit shit. Worst comes to worst, if you're not running one already, maybe get the longer Magura lever blade? 16% more power compared to the 2-finger lever, which means you don't have to put as much force in to get the same amount of hold. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigamac Posted February 1, 2010 Report Share Posted February 1, 2010 I always get this. I put it down to the muscles just aking after a ride (: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thinkdougie Posted February 1, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 1, 2010 Wait - middle finger? If both pistons are lazy and your brake feels like poo, maybe re-bleed it again. If you didn't get all the oil out it can make it feel a bit shit. Worst comes to worst, if you're not running one already, maybe get the longer Magura lever blade? 16% more power compared to the 2-finger lever, which means you don't have to put as much force in to get the same amount of hold. I have a zoo lever, think im gona rebleed and buy a 4 finger lever I always get this. I put it down to the muscles just aking after a ride (: If i get this all the time im gona have to quit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke_zoo Posted February 1, 2010 Report Share Posted February 1, 2010 I have a zoo lever, think im gona rebleed and buy a 4 finger lever If i get this all the time im gona have to quit Try new grips? as you have foam, ive got few brakes we could test with... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thinkdougie Posted February 1, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 1, 2010 Try new grips? as you have foam, ive got few brakes we could test with... bought some cheap grips today, no good I'll pop down 2mora with my bike after work? Okay? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hdmackay Posted February 1, 2010 Report Share Posted February 1, 2010 4-finger lever blades aint a bad thing! Much more powerful and hardly any flexier. Defo get one, finger pain or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke_zoo Posted February 1, 2010 Report Share Posted February 1, 2010 bought some cheap grips today, no good I'll pop down 2mora with my bike after work? Okay? Yeah man what time? we try make a tensoner fit on mine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thinkdougie Posted February 1, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 1, 2010 2? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke_zoo Posted February 1, 2010 Report Share Posted February 1, 2010 2? Yeah can do, il text dave to say we might not be riding? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thinkdougie Posted February 1, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 1, 2010 i think a new brake will sort it, ill take some pain killers lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke_zoo Posted February 1, 2010 Report Share Posted February 1, 2010 i think a new brake will sort it, ill take some pain killers lol Well ive got a few brakes here, we just need to bleed them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris4stars Posted February 1, 2010 Report Share Posted February 1, 2010 (edited) i made a topic about this half recently...check it out and see if its a similar sort of pain?! http://www.trials-forum.co.uk/forum/index....howtopic=147325 even after resting it for a week, and upgrading to a much better setup (new lever/pads/backings/fresh grind) and noticing a HUGE difference in power...the pain is still throbbing in my middle finger, and to an extent my ring finger. not all the time, but any moves that require me to pull on the bars (forefinger covering the brake) ive had a chat with quite a few doctors on the issue, and the views seem to differ considerably, from tendons/soft tissue problems etc. the pain itself is pretty much a medium/strong ache almost identical to a broken finger yet with a full range of movement. im not to sure if a hairline/stress fracture can occur with over exersion (perhaps coupled with violent jerks) but im getting it xrayed soon...will let you know the verdict Edited February 1, 2010 by chris4stars Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thinkdougie Posted February 1, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 1, 2010 i made a topic about this half recently...check it out and see if its a similar sort of pain?! http://www.trials-forum.co.uk/forum/index....howtopic=147325 even after resting it for a week, and upgrading to a much better setup (new lever/pads/backings/fresh grind) and noticing a HUGE difference in power...the pain is still throbbing in my middle finger, and to an extent my ring finger. not all the time, but any moves that require me to pull on the bars (forefinger covering the brake) ive had a chat with quite a few doctors on the issue, and the views seem to differ considerably, from tendons/soft tissue problems etc. the pain itself is pretty much a medium/strong ache almost identical to a broken finger yet with a full range of movement. im not to sure if a hairline/stress fracture can occur with over exersion (perhaps coupled with violent jerks) but im getting it xrayed soon...will let you know the verdict cheers, to be honest if it doesnt stop hurting, I may need to quit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke_zoo Posted February 1, 2010 Report Share Posted February 1, 2010 cheers, to be honest if it doesnt stop hurting, I may need to quit Wooo anther one to quit trials in scunthorpe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris4stars Posted February 1, 2010 Report Share Posted February 1, 2010 (edited) cheers, to be honest if it doesnt stop hurting, I may need to quit hold the boat! just found this site... http://www.climbinginjuries.com/page/fingers whilst getting pretty annoyed at my fingers just now, and strapping them up as if i was climbing etc, i did a search for climbers finger related injuries just incase... seems like some of the symptoms are pretty similar to those ive heard alot of people have, including myself. makes sence considering the clawing nature of your hand during climbs, especially as a finger climbing grip is having to overcome much more force than needed to pull a rear brake (one that works well that is) everyone with this sort of injury, is it only the left (rear brake hand?!) Edited February 1, 2010 by chris4stars Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie Histon Posted February 1, 2010 Report Share Posted February 1, 2010 I've had this before a couple of times, each time to varying amounts. I think it's to do with it being so cold at the moment, your finger muscles aren't warmed up so they are vulnerable to damage. It'll be your middle finger cause theres a lot of stress on it from pulling up the bars all the time. I would recomend, however annoying it is, not riding until the pain has gone and it should heal eventually. It may be something to do with grips but i could never be sure with my pain; perhaps the grips are too fat which means the finger can't wrap around the bar enough and is struggling to hold it. Or it could be the other way and the grips are to thin meaning the hard surface of the bar isn't giving your finger enough cusion. But yeah after having a similar sort of thing before i can only recomend to wait until the pain heals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrian Posted February 2, 2010 Report Share Posted February 2, 2010 (edited) I always get this. I put it down to the muscles just aking after a ride (: no muscles in your fingers mate, thats what your fore arm is for, so your straining your tendons or ligaments i guess, i used to get this so i set my levers so they pulled in closer to the bar, feel shit at first but then you get used to it and its alot nice as you have better grip on the lever and the pain stops:) or just chope it of and forget about it! edit : also, the tending that tightens your finger to grip the bar runs ont he underside of your fingers, so if you have thin or hard grips you can imagine that the harder you pull your bars the more you squash these tendons, which may also be causing the pain. rest it for a bit, and stretch your hands before and while riding. Edited February 2, 2010 by Adrian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cahill Trials Kid Posted February 2, 2010 Report Share Posted February 2, 2010 Dont use your middle finger Thats not a sarcastic answer, me and everyone i ride with use the finger between there thumb and middle finger (sorry dont no its real name). Sam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke_zoo Posted February 2, 2010 Report Share Posted February 2, 2010 Dont use your middle finger Thats not a sarcastic answer, me and everyone i ride with use the finger between there thumb and middle finger (sorry dont no its real name). Sam Index Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris4stars Posted February 2, 2010 Report Share Posted February 2, 2010 Dont use your middle finger Thats not a sarcastic answer, me and everyone i ride with use the finger between there thumb and middle finger (sorry dont no its real name). Sam slight misunderstanding i think?! the 'index' or 'forefinger' im pretty sure is used by almost everyone for braking, perhaps sometimes in conjunction with the middle finger for some the pain comes from the use of the middle finger, and sometimes the ring finger as these are the predominant two that are used to pull up/support the bars...ie, deal with alot of resistance, strong jerks etc whilst doing anything on the back wheel. i think its the 'over squeezing' of the index finger whilst using the rear brake that inadvertantly causes the other fingers to clamp around the bar more. this results in the whole hand under alot of strain in a very un-natural position, and at a guess..could be quite a factor in what causes the damage in the first place (adrians suggestion would seem to back this up) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cahill Trials Kid Posted February 2, 2010 Report Share Posted February 2, 2010 He said that his middle finger hurts. So if he uses his index finger it will not hurt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIG Drew Posted February 2, 2010 Report Share Posted February 2, 2010 (edited) It does sound like a tendon/ pulley injury. I had it a while ago and a two week break that sorted it out. (I'm guessing this was a mild injury as they usually take MUCH longer) At the time I had no idea what it was, but I had a similar injury through climbing which was defiantly the tendons so I’m assuming they were both the same thing! If this is the problem and you want it to go away read through this: http://www.davemacleod.com/articles/pullyinjuries.html And watch, and do this: http://www.davemacleod.com/articles/coldtreatment.html (It can be a bit of a ball ache and a boring half hour but it really works!) Just to add it usually happens on the ring finger at the base as this is the weakest part of your fingers. Tightly taping it up with a thin strip of tape will offer a good chunk of support whilst it recovers but I'd still say lay off the bike for a week and follow the advice on that video/his artical. Just too add for Chris4stars the doctors were also useless in helping me, they had no idea what it was. Find a climbing specific physio though and I’m sure they will have a dam good idea very quickly as it is a common injury. Edited February 2, 2010 by BIG Drew Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris4stars Posted February 2, 2010 Report Share Posted February 2, 2010 He said that his middle finger hurts. So if he uses his index finger it will not hurt. not only is that statement not specific in what you mean by 'use', it just doesnt make sence... did you actually read anything i wrote?! or what anyone else did for that matter...try reading the posts again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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