Paperclip Posted January 20, 2010 Report Share Posted January 20, 2010 Plus it'd be good if an existing tyre company got involved as they'd have a lot more knowledge of what works/doesn't work, and the means to get stuff made. Lookin' at you, Conti. echo and monty should re make there old white line tyres they was good and why would rockman make tyres chances are most rockman riders will just opt for maxxis or monty and theres loads of stock tyres out there, as like onzaboymark im on rear monty and front tryall and theres nothing i can really thing of how they would be better other than monty put a tread on the side like there older tyres Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walker Posted January 20, 2010 Report Share Posted January 20, 2010 f**ks sake... Could you two stop the little jabs at each other. How would you improve them Andrew? Sorry, yeah it is starting to get rather immature and a pain in the backside to everyone. Will accept mutual apoloies, sorry mate. I would like to see a lightweight folding kevlar beaded 19" rear tyre with a more open tread pattern than the creepy crawler. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N.Wood Posted January 20, 2010 Report Share Posted January 20, 2010 Not sure why kevlar hasn't really come into trials tyres yet, seems logical. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toby Posted January 20, 2010 Report Share Posted January 20, 2010 (edited) ive been going on for ages about how rockman need a short magura frame now its here im dissapointed, the geo is perfect! but i dont like the look/paint job of the frame need to see one built up before finalizing my opinion, white wheels black frame Edited January 20, 2010 by Toby Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark W Posted January 20, 2010 Report Share Posted January 20, 2010 Not sure why kevlar hasn't really come into trials tyres yet, seems logical. Seems like a lot of the time you need to run higher pressures with kevlar beads to keep them seated properly when you have sideways forces on them? Seems to be the case when I went from steel to kevlar beads on my BMX at least. I'm not too sure I'd like to have a super light back tyre in any case - I think with mod tyres especially you're going to have a limit where you really make a tyre feel like shit by making the sidewalls thinner and thinner just to scrape away the grammes. I tried out Ad's bike with his proto Try-All on and I just wasn't really into it. They've made the sidewalls thinner (from what I can tell), and it just feels a bit 'meh'. The thing I like about my Monty is that it's still relatively stable but isn't a massively heavy tyre. Equally, with a few choice knobble removals it's got a reasonable tread pattern. I don't really get why people keep persisting with super-tight bunches of knobbles on mod tyres - it just doesn't work in shit conditions. It works on mototrials tyres which they're based on because the tread pattern's spaced out a bit more. With a 19" tyre, they're really close and you just don't get that. On my Eagle Claw, it has rows of 5/4/5/4/5 and so on, and on the '5' lines I took out the 2nd and 4th knobbles. It opens the tyre up a lot more, makes it a lot grippier (when you pedal hard on it on street you can actually hear it grip more. When you crank hard it sounds like an engine!) and naturally sheds mud way better. It also saves a bit of weight I guess, no idea how much. I think Adam said he weighed his when he did it and it was 40g or something so I guess that helps a bit. That's basically why I don't think there's going to be much improvement made simply because companies are going in the wrong direction with it. The only ones likely to really benefit it are people from outside the trials world with more experience who are going to be able to use what they know from other disciplines to improve the carcasses of the tyres, rather than just going 'This tyre seems to work alright, just spec it with a 0.5mm thinner sidewall'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N.Wood Posted January 21, 2010 Report Share Posted January 21, 2010 Seems like a lot of the time you need to run higher pressures with kevlar beads to keep them seated properly when you have sideways forces on them? Seems to be the case when I went from steel to kevlar beads on my BMX at least. I dunno, only had experience of stock, but especially on the front kevlar is fine, not tried for the rear but I'd imagine they could combat any problems with a thicker/slightly tighter bead. I dunno why it would make any difference what the material of the bead is made of? Is kevlar stretchier or something? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdamR28 Posted January 21, 2010 Report Share Posted January 21, 2010 I would like to see a lightweight folding kevlar beaded 19" rear tyre with a more open tread pattern than the creepy crawler. Something like the new Try-All one should fill that pretty well (although will be steel bead). Not sure why kevlar hasn't really come into trials tyres yet, seems logical. Cost and fold-off-the-rim-ability. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigjames Posted January 21, 2010 Report Share Posted January 21, 2010 I've never had any issues with kevlar beads, been running them on my stock for a few years. Run about 20psi and no issues at all Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdamR28 Posted January 21, 2010 Report Share Posted January 21, 2010 Yeah, it's a bit different on a huge 19" tyre though at ~15 psi. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigjames Posted January 21, 2010 Report Share Posted January 21, 2010 I guess so. I do think that one of the proper tyre manufacturers needs to produce a trials specific tyre, although i can imaigne that the developement and production costs would be off putting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdamR28 Posted January 21, 2010 Report Share Posted January 21, 2010 I do think that one of the proper tyre manufacturers needs to produce a trials specific tyre, although i can imaigne that the developement and production costs would be off putting. For sure, especially given the tiny trials market... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N.Wood Posted January 21, 2010 Report Share Posted January 21, 2010 Cost and fold-off-the-rim-ability. Fold-off-the-rim-ability even on stock? When I say trials I mean stock A front try-all with kevlar bead would be amazing, as it removes weight without compromising grip/puncture resistance. No problems regarding their kevlar bead with the newer front conti tyres that I've heard of? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdamR28 Posted January 21, 2010 Report Share Posted January 21, 2010 Fold-off-the-rim-ability even on stock? When I say trials I mean stock A front try-all with kevlar bead would be amazing, as it removes weight without compromising grip/puncture resistance. No problems regarding their kevlar bead with the newer front conti tyres that I've heard of? Yeah it's fine on 26". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George.E Posted January 21, 2010 Report Share Posted January 21, 2010 Do we have any idea on the price? Sorry if i missed it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdamR28 Posted January 21, 2010 Report Share Posted January 21, 2010 Do we have any idea on the price? Should be about the same as the Manus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Revolver Posted January 21, 2010 Report Share Posted January 21, 2010 20'' korts would be ace! BOOM BOOOM HAHA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kristaps Posted January 21, 2010 Report Share Posted January 21, 2010 Seems like a lot of the time you need to run higher pressures with kevlar beads to keep them seated properly when you have sideways forces on them? Seems to be the case when I went from steel to kevlar beads on my BMX at least. I'm not too sure I'd like to have a super light back tyre in any case - I think with mod tyres especially you're going to have a limit where you really make a tyre feel like shit by making the sidewalls thinner and thinner just to scrape away the grammes. I tried out Ad's bike with his proto Try-All on and I just wasn't really into it. They've made the sidewalls thinner (from what I can tell), and it just feels a bit 'meh'. The thing I like about my Monty is that it's still relatively stable but isn't a massively heavy tyre. Equally, with a few choice knobble removals it's got a reasonable tread pattern. I don't really get why people keep persisting with super-tight bunches of knobbles on mod tyres - it just doesn't work in shit conditions. It works on mototrials tyres which they're based on because the tread pattern's spaced out a bit more. With a 19" tyre, they're really close and you just don't get that. On my Eagle Claw, it has rows of 5/4/5/4/5 and so on, and on the '5' lines I took out the 2nd and 4th knobbles. It opens the tyre up a lot more, makes it a lot grippier (when you pedal hard on it on street you can actually hear it grip more. When you crank hard it sounds like an engine!) and naturally sheds mud way better. It also saves a bit of weight I guess, no idea how much. I think Adam said he weighed his when he did it and it was 40g or something so I guess that helps a bit. That's basically why I don't think there's going to be much improvement made simply because companies are going in the wrong direction with it. The only ones likely to really benefit it are people from outside the trials world with more experience who are going to be able to use what they know from other disciplines to improve the carcasses of the tyres, rather than just going 'This tyre seems to work alright, just spec it with a 0.5mm thinner sidewall'. So monty tyre is still better than try all, even the new prototype?In your opinion? Thanks ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew C Posted January 21, 2010 Report Share Posted January 21, 2010 Does enyone know when abouts the super light try-all tyre will be out and if there will be a 20" one? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark W Posted January 21, 2010 Report Share Posted January 21, 2010 So monty tyre is still better than try all, even the new prototype?In your opinion? Thanks ! In my opinion, yeah, just seems like the Monty's a bit more stable, a bit wider, etc. - just everything I'm looking for Does enyone know when abouts the super light try-all tyre will be out and if there will be a 20" one? Not for a while yet. Going to be 19" first I think, primarily 'cos the front one's reasonably light anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crispyboy Posted January 22, 2010 Report Share Posted January 22, 2010 ive been going on for ages about how rockman need a short magura frame now its here im dissapointed, the geo is perfect! but i dont like the look/paint job of the frame need to see one built up before finalizing my opinion, white wheels black frame Was just waiting for your comment as youve been wanting them to make one for ages! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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