ogre Posted January 11, 2010 Report Share Posted January 11, 2010 my bikes looking a bit tatty, i'm getting a new frame soon and figured since i'll have everything in bits it'd be a good opportunity to spray it a new colour. i plan on having a look in halfords for colours i'm thinking orange frame/forks, green rims. are there any websites for high quality spray paints? i dont mind spending a few quid if i know it's going to last how about prepping my frame/forks/rims? i'm buying a new front rim soon, so i lke the look of the trialtech fluro green, i'll try match my rear rim with spray paint (already done a hash job to make it black) also how are trialtech rims for strength and holding grinds? cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Echo-Scott Posted January 11, 2010 Report Share Posted January 11, 2010 Spraying/Preping wise. Sand your frame/forks down a bit to give the surface a rougher finish. Put 2 or 3 coats of primer on. Remember: Lots of thin coats are better than one thick coat. Then, When i did my frame i did 5 thin coats of whatever colour you want. But its up to you really. Again, Thin coats are better than thick Then put some laquer over the top. Not essential but its best to to help protect the paint. Its really up to you how many coats you do. But when i did my frame, I did quite a lot of coats just to be safe. I left it a full day between each coat of everything. But you could get away with probably 2 or 3 a day if your pushed for time. Dont spray it in a wet cold place though. Try and get hold of a shed/garage where it will stay dry and wont be too cold. Most halfords paint should do a pretty good job also. Never owned a TT rim myself. But from reviews they look to be pretty beasty rims. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Vandart Posted January 11, 2010 Report Share Posted January 11, 2010 Spraying/Preping wise. Sand your frame/forks down a bit to give the surface a rougher finish.(Use 600 paper for final rub) Put 2 or 3 coats of primer on. Remember: Lots of thin coats are better than one thick coat.( ) Then, When i did my frame i did 5 thin coats of whatever colour you want. But its up to you really. Again, Thin coats are better than thick( ) Then put some laquer over the top. Not essential but its best to to help protect the paint. Its really up to you how many coats you do. But when i did my frame, I did quite a lot of coats just to be safe. I left it a full day between each coat of everything. But you could get away with probably 2 or 3 a day if your pushed for time. (You can do a whole frame from start to finish in one day using a heat gun to flash off the colour see video below for what I mean. Dont spray it in a wet cold place though. Try and get hold of a shed/garage where it will stay dry and wont be too cold.( ) Most halfords paint should do a pretty good job also. Never owned a TT rim myself. But from reviews they look to be pretty beasty rims. Click me to see what I am on about Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikee Posted January 11, 2010 Report Share Posted January 11, 2010 If you don't mind spending abit of money, I would suggest looking into getting it powder coated. My mate got his orange 222 frame done properly for about £40 and it looks fantastic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will Arnold Posted January 11, 2010 Report Share Posted January 11, 2010 do it properly. sand between coats. remember it's all about the prep work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darrenhopper Posted January 14, 2010 Report Share Posted January 14, 2010 And remember that light colours should look well thin after the first coat or two but they'll fill out in later coats. The best you can hope for is an even thin layer, wait 20 mins and repeat. You should get a good few coats out of each can. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jitters Posted January 14, 2010 Report Share Posted January 14, 2010 do it properly. sand between coats. remember it's all about the prep work. +1 Also, patience. Go into the job expecting it to take some time to do it right. If you have access to a media blasting cabinet, makes quick work of stripping the frame and giving the paint a nice surface to bond to. Do NOT sand blast it though. Good luck! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rupintart Posted January 14, 2010 Report Share Posted January 14, 2010 (edited) Time is money.... In the 3+ days it takes you to prep and paint your frame, along with the cost of about $20-30 USD on paint, primer and clear coat, you may as well spend the extra dough on getting it powdercoated, and it being 73864837465987364589732645 times more durable and 2983475632489765837465 times better looking. If you're gonna go cheap and rattle can it, don't even worry what it looks like. Cause even if it looks decent, you'll still be able to tell it's a rattle can. And with cheap paint jobs, they look a million times worse whenever they start to get scratched as compared to a pro job, and it's no comparison to a powdercoat. Even a half arsed powdercoat job looks better than most paint jobs out there. And it's for sure more durable. Edited January 14, 2010 by rupintart Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willdudeXD Posted January 14, 2010 Report Share Posted January 14, 2010 also, you may want to put some filler an any dents you may have? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Vandart Posted January 14, 2010 Report Share Posted January 14, 2010 (edited) Don't bother sanding between coats just flash it off with heat gun and get another coat on. You can get a job as good as factory that way if your handy with a can. Go from primer to rebuild in 24hrs. Powder coating is more cost effective for flat colours though. Edited January 14, 2010 by Matt Vandart Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ogre Posted January 14, 2010 Author Report Share Posted January 14, 2010 Time is money.... In the 3+ days it takes you to prep and paint your frame, along with the cost of about $20-30 USD on paint, primer and clear coat, you may as well spend the extra dough on getting it powdercoated, and it being 73864837465987364589732645 times more durable and 2983475632489765837465 times better looking. If you're gonna go cheap and rattle can it, don't even worry what it looks like. Cause even if it looks decent, you'll still be able to tell it's a rattle can. And with cheap paint jobs, they look a million times worse whenever they start to get scratched as compared to a pro job, and it's no comparison to a powdercoat. Even a half arsed powdercoat job looks better than most paint jobs out there. And it's for sure more durable. your the grumpiest b*****d on this forum. time is money? i don't care i'm a student. plus theres no powder coaters near me otherwise i would have done Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rupintart Posted January 15, 2010 Report Share Posted January 15, 2010 your the grumpiest b*****d on this forum. time is money? i don't care i'm a student. plus theres no powder coaters near me otherwise i would have done Don't tell me there was never a time when you went to do something to save money, and it ended up giving you a massive headache and the job wasn't done up to your par and you wished you woulda just ponied up the extra dough and got it done, as it would have been done by that time anyways. I've learned my lessons SEVERAL times over with cars and motorcycles, that when it comes to things that you're not exactly pro at, or only slightly capable of doing, save yourself the headaches and just let somebody who does it for a living do it in half the time. Don't get me wrong, I'm all for saving a couple of bucks, but somethings, just need to be left to the pros. You'd never rattle can your car would you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ogre Posted January 16, 2010 Author Report Share Posted January 16, 2010 paint on bikes gets demolished anyway, and if it's off the shelf paint i can touch it up as i need to, i know powder coats a more long term solution but if i sell on the frame it's gunna eba ball ache for someone else if they on't like the colour, you can get spray paint off easy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LukasMcNeal Posted January 16, 2010 Report Share Posted January 16, 2010 paint on bikes gets demolished anyway, and if it's off the shelf paint i can touch it up as i need to, i know powder coats a more long term solution but if i sell on the frame it's gunna eba ball ache for someone else if they on't like the colour, you can get spray paint off easy When I sprayed mine all I done was take my time, I was on school holidays so what I would do was Prime the frame one day then let it dry over night and then sand the next day. Prime again fully and leave overnight Do another coat is its a bit dodgy. Do a thin layer of paint and leave overnight Add layers every couple of hours and build it up gradually Leave final coat for a day Then laquer a few times with MANY layers. Then you should get a sweet finish! It may take a while but it will be worth it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krisboats Posted January 16, 2010 Report Share Posted January 16, 2010 I didn't even take my time doing mine. Didn't leave it to dry between coats for more than 15 mins at a time and the whole process from primer to lacquer took about 3 hours. 6 hours to dismantle, spray and re-assemble. Then it went in the car to go for a ride. It's a trials bike, it'll get battered and scratched. Mines starting to look a bit tatty now (over a year later) and it's had bricks thrown at it for christs sake. For the sake of some wilko's £3 primer and a £5 can of spray it's a perfect job for a trials bike. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigjames Posted January 16, 2010 Report Share Posted January 16, 2010 600-800 grit to rub it down, mums hair dryer or a heat gun for heating the frame and drying off between coats, take your time, lots of thin coats. Job done Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Rainbird Posted January 16, 2010 Report Share Posted January 16, 2010 I didn't even take my time doing mine. 15 mins at a time and the whole process from primer to lacquer took about 3 hours. Contradiction much? Pussy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmusson Posted January 16, 2010 Report Share Posted January 16, 2010 theres no powder coaters near me Wrong..... theres one in lincoln that i no of down the A46 at whisby! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke_zoo Posted January 16, 2010 Report Share Posted January 16, 2010 (edited) I'm about to do my old frame for spraying, how would you get rid off the really bad scracheses and dents? so when you paint it it looks like there is none? Powder coating from around 35-50 I'm gessing I'm getting my swin arm grit blasted and powder coated for 35pounds. Edited January 16, 2010 by Luke_zoo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Revolver Posted January 16, 2010 Report Share Posted January 16, 2010 Car bodywork filler at a guess. You can get ready-mixed stuff in a tube that'd be good for this application. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ogre Posted January 17, 2010 Author Report Share Posted January 17, 2010 Wrong..... theres one in lincoln that i no of down the A46 at whisby! viking? local to you maybe... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krisboats Posted January 17, 2010 Report Share Posted January 17, 2010 Contradiction much? Pussy It was on a wet night. 15 Minutes was enough for it to be touch dry between coats. Certainly different from the other suggestions in the thread of spraying at night before bed then leaving overnight before sanding. Christ, i'd have take a week minimum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Revolver Posted January 17, 2010 Report Share Posted January 17, 2010 I've heard of a Rainbird spray job. Something like a 5-10 minute go with a rattle can, and then get out riding on it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will Arnold Posted January 17, 2010 Report Share Posted January 17, 2010 Don't tell me there was never a time when you went to do something to save money, and it ended up giving you a massive headache and the job wasn't done up to your par and you wished you woulda just ponied up the extra dough and got it done, as it would have been done by that time anyways. I've learned my lessons SEVERAL times over with cars and motorcycles, that when it comes to things that you're not exactly pro at, or only slightly capable of doing, save yourself the headaches and just let somebody who does it for a living do it in half the time. Don't get me wrong, I'm all for saving a couple of bucks, but somethings, just need to be left to the pros. You'd never rattle can your car would you? no, but i would rattle can a bike frame. and have done several times. ever heard of a thing called job satisfaction? everytime you look at your frame you can think - 'i did that, it looks well good' or you can think ' the powdercoaters/professionals did that because i didn't think i was good enough to do it myself' the long and short of it is that you can get a good finish with rattle cans if done properly, and the paint job can involve more than one colour. as for it taking 3 days, thats a bit of an over-exaggeration, unless you watch the paint dry... each to their own i suppose, and i can see the benefits of a powder coat! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RazGman Posted January 17, 2010 Report Share Posted January 17, 2010 (edited) Well I used to work in a bodyshop so I own a spray gun and compressor, but IMO if done properly you can get a pretty much pefect result with Rattle Cans, I wouldnt shell out the cash to have mine powdercoated to be honest when for the sake of 15quid you can achive a great result with the option of diffrent colours I have rattled a few bikes in my day and have never had a bad result exept the time i touched the paint and left a finger print on my handlebars But Sand with like 80-120g paper nice few coats of primer sand again 400-600g paper give it a wipe, with some panel wipe degreaser if you have some few coats of chosen paint, if you use a can they usualy mix the laquar in so sand again with 800-1200g paper make sure you have a nice even solid colour after this other wise another coat of paint then shit loads of laqure sand 1200g t-cut the lot and your done perfect Should look like a coloured mirror by now Edited January 17, 2010 by RazGman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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