ghostrider88 Posted December 31, 2009 Report Share Posted December 31, 2009 Regarding the "It's now long and low, therefore it's not good for TGS" thing - Benito runs a pretty short frame, and he can put almost all 'TGS' riders to shame at TGS... my word!i don´t get these problems with geo,you can ride TGS,natty,street on the same bike,something´ll be easier,something not.But you´re acting like longer wb makes your sidehop 10inches higher Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark W Posted December 31, 2009 Report Share Posted December 31, 2009 That's what I was getting at - I was saying that you don't need a long bike to ride TGS... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Vandart Posted December 31, 2009 Author Report Share Posted December 31, 2009 I'm not arguing just asking if anyone has any ideas thats all. Different Frames are aimed at different markets I was just wondering what this one is aimed at and this forum seemed to be the place to ask these questions. Mark your pretty clued up on shit like this, what would you say it is aimed at? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark W Posted December 31, 2009 Report Share Posted December 31, 2009 It sounds like a massive cop out, but it's basically an all-round frame. It's not an all-out, super lightweight comp frame, but it's not a mega-weighty street tank. It's a fairly middle of the road frame in terms of weight, and the geometry's not too heavily biased one way or the other. Your choice of stem is going to have more of a say in terms of what it's 'good' for as a frame. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Vandart Posted December 31, 2009 Author Report Share Posted December 31, 2009 Thanks Mark sounds like I made a good choice for me that was what I was after really. shame about the lack o disc mount which would have made it a real all rounder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark W Posted December 31, 2009 Report Share Posted December 31, 2009 Cool. It's the same with my Lynx for me, really - I like riding a mix of street and natural, and the Lynx isn't too biased in one direction or the other. Probably a bit more street-orientated I guess, but it's still really light so it's pretty easy to move around on the rocks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weirdoku Posted December 31, 2009 Report Share Posted December 31, 2009 It's for trials, go ride what ever you want with it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Vandart Posted January 1, 2010 Author Report Share Posted January 1, 2010 (edited) Did you read this thread? Edited January 1, 2010 by Matt Vandart Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0zzy Posted January 1, 2010 Report Share Posted January 1, 2010 Fair enough, you clearly haven't got a clue what a stiff brake is then. Jog on yourself. lmfao, matts brakes f**king amazing and is the best brake ive ever used , and has f**k all flex, NOTHING i wouldnt expect from a frame with no built in booster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ali C Posted January 1, 2010 Report Share Posted January 1, 2010 is it just me or do frames not need to be given a category? On my trials bike I'll ride natty, comps, street and even hit dirt jumps if given the option. I see no need to give a frame a category when the rider could choose to do anything on it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weirdoku Posted January 2, 2010 Report Share Posted January 2, 2010 is it just me or do frames not need to be given a category? On my trials bike I'll ride natty, comps, street and even hit dirt jumps if given the option. I see no need to give a frame a category when the rider could choose to do anything on it. + a f**king million!!!! I could never understand how frames could be categorised as street/comp/natty! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeCottTrials Posted January 2, 2010 Report Share Posted January 2, 2010 This thread is so stupid. I buy a bike, I ride it everywhere Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DannyBazz (: Posted January 2, 2010 Report Share Posted January 2, 2010 Regarding the "It's not long and low, therefore it's not good for TGS" thing - Benito runs a pretty short frame, and he can put almost all 'TGS' riders to shame at TGS... I never said "it's not good for TGS" I said its not long and low, so it's probably not designed for TGS... or at least, that's what I meant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Vandart Posted January 2, 2010 Author Report Share Posted January 2, 2010 (edited) I wrote a long reply to why this thread isn't stupid but just cant be arsed to bore you with details now. Quick summary to avoid boredom: I also buy a bike and ride it, I do not need anyone to tell me where to ride and on what, do you think I just appeared out of thin air on 15/10/2008 or that is the date I first took my stabilizers off? It is not a stupid thread there is much thinking going on in my head about the question. It is a question about the trials Market and the thinking behind it. Edited January 2, 2010 by Matt Vandart Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Vandart Posted January 2, 2010 Author Report Share Posted January 2, 2010 I ride tgs and I care how it rides on two wheels...you seem to have missed that I hope this thread has acted like a signal fire to the companies of trials This thread is so stupid. I buy a bike, I ride it everywhere Hmmm.................... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JT! Posted January 2, 2010 Report Share Posted January 2, 2010 (edited) I ride a TGS frame on everything but TGS riding. I don't think any frame has a real category, Onza frames are known for being weak-ish (relative to deng frames) so bashing is usually out of the question, but for everything else it's fine. If you like the geo then go for it. With regards to no disc mount, i don't really get why they leave the off the frames these days. Especially seeing as though onza don't give you a choice, it's instantly making the frame usable for only 2/3 riders (or whatever % ride with a rear disc). Why not just but a disc mount on?! Edited January 2, 2010 by JT! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0zzy Posted January 2, 2010 Report Share Posted January 2, 2010 I could never understand how frames could be categorised as street/comp/natty! honestly, your not that stupid are you how can you not see that the top range koxx stuff like white sky, silver sky etc is pointed at comp riders, and the deng stuff not particulary the new stuff but the older stuff defo was pointed towards tgs riding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy. Posted January 2, 2010 Report Share Posted January 2, 2010 to be honest most natty and comp riders are starting to use double or rear maggie so i would say it would be a natty/comp bike. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JT! Posted January 2, 2010 Report Share Posted January 2, 2010 to be honest most natty and comp riders are starting to use double or rear maggie so i would say it would be a natty/comp bike. Starting to use double or rear maggies? Comp riders have been using maguras for years. It's only in the last 2 or 3 years that double disc has become more and more popular. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0zzy Posted January 2, 2010 Report Share Posted January 2, 2010 Starting to use double or rear maggies? Comp riders have been using maguras for years. It's only in the last 2 or 3 years that double disc has become more and more popular. in comps you tend to see it pretty much 50% magura rear disk front, 40% dual disk, 10% dual magura. thats in the cases that ive seen in comps anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JT! Posted January 2, 2010 Report Share Posted January 2, 2010 in comps you tend to see it pretty much 50% magura rear disk front, 40% dual disk, 10% dual magura. thats in the cases that ive seen in comps anyway. Yeah I'd agree with that, you just made it sound like you said most riders are starting to use double magura, but you didn't, I missread. :$ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weirdoku Posted January 2, 2010 Report Share Posted January 2, 2010 (edited) honestly, your not that stupid are you how can you not see that the top range koxx stuff like white sky, silver sky etc is pointed at comp riders, and the deng stuff not particulary the new stuff but the older stuff defo was pointed towards tgs riding. Yeah I am that stupid. The only real difference I see in the top range stuff is their weight, and you're paying a stupid amount of money for a small weight difference. Slight difference in geo as well but who says you can't ride short frame, +85 bb for street? For example you pay about £240 for a zoo lynx that weighs 1.54kg compared to a white sky that costs £780 that weighs 1.274kg and the only difference is only about 266g in weight and geo but you are paying £540 more for that little difference?? If you are serioulsy telling me that you are paying £540 more for 266g less then you are f**king WEAK for not being able to move an extra 266g. Edited January 2, 2010 by weirdoku Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark W Posted January 2, 2010 Report Share Posted January 2, 2010 With regards to no disc mount, i don't really get why they leave the off the frames these days. Especially seeing as though onza don't give you a choice, it's instantly making the frame usable for only 2/3 riders (or whatever % ride with a rear disc). Why not just but a disc mount on?! Because if they 'just put a disc mount on' it'd probably be shit. Making a disc mount that actually lasts and isn't super flexy doesn't just happen, especially with the rear ends the Onzas have. Like they said before, almost all their team run rear Magura and only want to run a rear Magura, so they don't really 'need' to put one on. Not least 'cos they'd have no-one to test it. Most of their bikes seem to be bought by street riders anyway, most of whom don't appear to want to run disc. I'd imagine your percentage is fairly out for the amount of dual disc riders out there. And I agree with what Ali said earlier! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JT! Posted January 2, 2010 Report Share Posted January 2, 2010 Because if they 'just put a disc mount on' it'd probably be shit. Making a disc mount that actually lasts and isn't super flexy doesn't just happen, especially with the rear ends the Onzas have. Like they said before, almost all their team run rear Magura and only want to run a rear Magura, so they don't really 'need' to put one on. Not least 'cos they'd have no-one to test it. Most of their bikes seem to be bought by street riders anyway, most of whom don't appear to want to run disc. I'd imagine your percentage is fairly out for the amount of dual disc riders out there. Not much of that really makes any sense. What has the team got to do with anything? Onza sell frames, they just don't make them for the team. And not having riders to test them can't be a good excuse as they have made frames with disc mounts in the past and present. And if that really is a problem then why can't they just get a couple of team riders to test rear disc mounts. When the skull was released there was a handful of people complaining that there was no disc mount on there, just about as many as the people saying they loved it, they'll have sold many more if it did. It just seems to me there are many advantages about having a disc mount and very little disadvantages to the point that all frames should come with one (providing the company can't provide one of each). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0zzy Posted January 3, 2010 Report Share Posted January 3, 2010 Yeah I am that stupid. The only real difference I see in the top range stuff is their weight, and you're paying a stupid amount of money for a small weight difference. Slight difference in geo as well but who says you can't ride short frame, +85 bb for street? For example you pay about £240 for a zoo lynx that weighs 1.54kg compared to a white sky that costs £780 that weighs 1.274kg and the only difference is only about 266g in weight and geo but you are paying £540 more for that little difference?? If you are serioulsy telling me that you are paying £540 more for 266g less then you are f**king WEAK for not being able to move an extra 266g. your trying to tell me theres much more to frames then weight and geo lmfao! i never said you cant ride a +85 bb short frame on street, you blatently didnt read what i put. so yes you are that f**king stupid. x Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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