Borat Posted December 19, 2009 Report Share Posted December 19, 2009 Hey guys, I am fed up with rear magura on my python. As I am always having problems with it.So I have decided to go rear vee, using rock blues, with the neon vee adaptor, avid sd7 vee calipers etc etc.Whats the advantages and disadvantages?And also, I have the query of; are my cranks going to come in, even slightly close to the calipers?Thanks, Jack. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gage-mann Posted December 19, 2009 Report Share Posted December 19, 2009 vee with wide rim, you can tap one of the arms with your ankle/foot and it pushes pad into rim, when you have a buckle, the wheel pushes the pad away unlike a maggy cylinder where its fixed, you can make the brake feel more hard or soft at the lever, you can make it retract slow-ish or fast, duno really, i did'nt like rear vee on the back of my stock which i used blue rock vee pads a normal cable from lbs and monty lever did have the avid ultimate arms on it though which seemed good, i rekon i better cable and just a sd7 lever whould of made it soo much better, but i only used the rear vee for 3 months cause my magura broke Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Borat Posted December 19, 2009 Author Report Share Posted December 19, 2009 vee with wide rim, you can tap one of the arms with your ankle/foot and it pushes pad into rim, when you have a buckle, the wheel pushes the pad away unlike a maggy cylinder where its fixed, you can make the brake feel more hard or soft at the lever, you can make it retract slow-ish or fast, duno really, i did'nt like rear vee on the back of my stock which i used blue rock vee pads a normal cable from lbs and monty lever did have the avid ultimate arms on it though which seemed good, i rekon i better cable and just a sd7 lever whould of made it soo much better, but i only used the rear vee for 3 months cause my magura brokeAhh sweet, do you have any pics? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DannyBazz (: Posted December 19, 2009 Report Share Posted December 19, 2009 If rear vees were better, wouldn't everybody be using them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gage-mann Posted December 19, 2009 Report Share Posted December 19, 2009 If rear vees were better, wouldn't everybody be using them? yerr but they are lighter and you dont have to bleed them lol i went on a bike with a good vee set-up, the only thing i did'nt like was that the pads were set up far away from the rim as i would of had them but it still worked good and felt amazing at the lever to pulland no i got no pic's of mine, made a video with rear vee on though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Borat Posted December 19, 2009 Author Report Share Posted December 19, 2009 yerr but they are lighter and you dont have to bleed them lol i went on a bike with a good vee set-up, the only thing i did'nt like was that the pads were set up far away from the rim as i would of had them but it still worked good and felt amazing at the lever to pulland no i got no pic's of mine, made a video with rear vee on thoughMay I? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rafal Posted December 19, 2009 Report Share Posted December 19, 2009 (edited) If rear vees were better, wouldn't everybody be using them? smart guy... v brake is heavier cause no frame factory likes V mounts and you have to use adapters. Nowadays the weight is more important than comfort so that's why not everyone use them.Ultimate arms + ultimate/xtr lever + tnn/coust pads + xtr/jagwire wire + few days of riding it to get used to and you'll never back to hs33.There are a lot of people who complain about vees saying magura's better. These inferences are after some pushing the lever of friend's bike and they didnt ride it as much as is need to convince to V. Edited December 19, 2009 by Rafal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gage-mann Posted December 19, 2009 Report Share Posted December 19, 2009 May I? no watch Ali C Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DannyBazz (: Posted December 19, 2009 Report Share Posted December 19, 2009 yerr but they are lighter and you dont have to bleed them lol i went on a bike with a good vee set-up, the only thing i did'nt like was that the pads were set up far away from the rim as i would of had them but it still worked good and felt amazing at the lever to pulland no i got no pic's of mine, made a video with rear vee on thoughGood point haha, I hate lazy pistons as well. Vees loook so hard to set up though, and I canne be arsed with adapters and all that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J Trials 31 Posted December 19, 2009 Report Share Posted December 19, 2009 Vees don't work very well on a mod so you pretty have to use a magura. They work well, it's just your foot will be hitting the cable all the time. Other than that vees are the best. It might be worth it to give it a try if you can get ahold of some of those Heatsink adaptors with three holes, I heard those might solve some problems on a mod. Or just go disc... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Borat Posted December 19, 2009 Author Report Share Posted December 19, 2009 Thanks, but disk on a 06 python? I wish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LukasMcNeal Posted December 19, 2009 Report Share Posted December 19, 2009 Thanks, but disk on a 06 python? I wish.Just get a new frame chinners! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigjames Posted December 19, 2009 Report Share Posted December 19, 2009 If you're any good with maintenance and setting up of your bike then go for it, saying that i'm now on a maggy on my 26" and its the best brake i've ever had. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aener Posted December 19, 2009 Report Share Posted December 19, 2009 (edited) On my 609, I had SD7 arms, with SD7 lever and Clarks cable. Used with snowies, heatsink yellows, TNN greens... Few more like... Very average brake. Could never really get it snappy, though that may have been the lack of setting up skills.Anyway... Today, I switched the arms to some cheap ass "Promax" arms and a wilko's cable, out of sheer desperation. Oh.My.GOD. It's f**king amazing. Grabs like CRAZY, but still modulates, because it's a Vee. (This is with Phat pads on a grind.)Probably just old, shit springs in the SD7 arms, but I'm more than happy to downgrade to these Promax things. It's unbelievable how much better they are.I would recommend one, for sure. Edited December 19, 2009 by aener Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Borat Posted December 20, 2009 Author Report Share Posted December 20, 2009 Thanks.Any more comments, or pictures? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordMersey Posted December 20, 2009 Report Share Posted December 20, 2009 Im pritty sure Rowan Johns used rear Vees in his last video. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
basher Posted December 20, 2009 Report Share Posted December 20, 2009 it depends what kind of brake your after. these days most people seem to like really bitey brakes that just snap on, but usually the hold is anything to have a wank over. with a vee you get shit bite or at least never as good as a maggy but the hold is so amazing they just dont slip. personally im not fussed about bite so i love my vee. there are some down sides though, you definately need a booster otherwise your wasteing your time i think as ive found without a booster the quality of the brake is significantly poorer. only problem is booster aren't that plentifull in vee form. it does also take alot of tweaking to get the brake just perfect and tweaking every so often aswell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Rainbird Posted December 20, 2009 Report Share Posted December 20, 2009 I run a vee with no booster on adaptors and it's perfect. The only thing I'd change if possible would be to have vee mounts on a frame - if they were more widely available then I think more people would run a vee. I wouldn't change back to a Magura if there was any way to run a vee, not a chance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christophe' Posted December 20, 2009 Report Share Posted December 20, 2009 with the correct set up/pads/cable etc v is better.no hassle with fluid pistons etc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ullapool Trials Rider Posted December 20, 2009 Report Share Posted December 20, 2009 (edited) One of my friends has an 08 Yaabaa 499 and he runs a vee on smooth rim with thin Inspired V-Pads. I weigh 8 stone and i can hop on the back wheel as hard as i can and the brakes don't even slip a millimetre. So its vee's for me.EDIT: His brakes feel smoother than a water bleed and you don't need any tar and they don't stick. Edited December 20, 2009 by onza_ardmair Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Borat Posted December 20, 2009 Author Report Share Posted December 20, 2009 Come on Ali C, I see you looking. Now comment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ali C Posted December 20, 2009 Report Share Posted December 20, 2009 not much else to say as most people have covered it.I think a lot of people don't like vees when they have tried them is because they are comparing them directly with a magura.To clear some things up.....A Vee is not a magura, it acts differentlya vee has more modulation and not as much bite as a maggiea vee has LOTS more hold than a maggiea vee is more powerfula vee has more adjustmenta vee is heavier with adaptor and booster, but lighter on a vee specific frame than a maggiea booster improves the hold of a vee 10 fold Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
basher Posted December 20, 2009 Report Share Posted December 20, 2009 I run a vee with no booster on adaptors and it's perfect. The only thing I'd change if possible would be to have vee mounts on a frame - if they were more widely available then I think more people would run a vee. I wouldn't change back to a Magura if there was any way to run a vee, not a chance.put a booster on and you will be suprised how much better the hold is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christophe' Posted December 20, 2009 Report Share Posted December 20, 2009 not much else to say as most people have covered it.I think a lot of people don't like vees when they have tried them is because they are comparing them directly with a magura.To clear some things up.....A Vee is not a magura, it acts differentlya vee has more modulation and not as much bite as a maggiea vee has LOTS more hold than a maggiea vee is more powerfula vee has more adjustmenta vee is heavier with adaptor and booster, but lighter on a vee specific frame than a maggiea booster improves the hold of a vee 10 foldwhat he said! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Endohopper Posted December 20, 2009 Report Share Posted December 20, 2009 I can't imagine ever going back to Maguras . I suspect a lot of riders fit Vees and reject 'em within a week , whereas I usually find that there's a brief period of " settling in " where the pads wear to the rim's surface and the cable and housing settle properly . Once correctly set up , presuming good cable , pad and booster choice the brake offers oodles of controllable power . It's ashame about the weight penaly incurred by needing an adapter for most modern 4 bolt frames , though . Strangely , I find that while choice of all the components are crucial to a healthy setup , the arms themselves seem to make little difference , like the fellow who downgraded to Promax ones reported . Shameless plugging of my Vees ( Deore arms ) on my new Karbon : Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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