Jan Tore Posted November 21, 2009 Report Share Posted November 21, 2009 (edited) So, I really want inputs on what front break to choose, since mine just doesn't cut it(Shimano BR disc).I'm leaning towards a rim break, for better bite, but will I loose all my modulation?I also just want to clear this, so I know I've got it right. Bite is how fast the break stops the bike, and hold is how much weight it can hold on the rim before the bike runs again. Am I right there?I appreciate all inputs. Edited November 21, 2009 by Jan Tore Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey-uk Posted November 22, 2009 Report Share Posted November 22, 2009 Modulation is how freely you can roll with the brake on. Hold is keeping the wheel locked (better hold = more power is needed to shift it once locked) and 'the biting point' is the point that your brake REALLY kicks in.Rim brakes tend to have little to none effective modulation but amazing bite and hold wheras disks have amazing modulation and, depending on the capiler + rotor combo it can also have amazing bite and hold.I'm currently using a Magura Marta caliper + lever and magura rotor but i've heard many good things about the Magura louise and also the hope mono. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ogre Posted November 22, 2009 Report Share Posted November 22, 2009 rim brake performance is down to setup, if you run two different pads or a grind on one side of the rim you can with a bit of fannying about with working out how past pads move etc, create a modulating brake with alot of bite and hold when you pull the lever fully. plus a vee brake is the lightest front brake option available if you run it from vee mounts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jan Tore Posted November 22, 2009 Author Report Share Posted November 22, 2009 rim brake performance is down to setup, if you run two different pads or a grind on one side of the rim you can with a bit of fannying about with working out how past pads move etc, create a modulating brake with alot of bite and hold when you pull the lever fully. plus a vee brake is the lightest front brake option available if you run it from vee mounts Yes, I reckon that, and I'm leaning more and more towards a rim brake. More specific, the vee.Are there good forks available with vee mounts? If not I'll have to for for adaptors with a 4bolt fork, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ogre Posted November 22, 2009 Report Share Posted November 22, 2009 (edited) echo urbans come as vee and disc, theyre spot on for weight/price/strength ratio too if you want to experiment before splashing out on new forks onza 4 bolt to vee mounts are very good, and theres no need to go full whack for the avid ultimate, the sd 7 brake is only slightly heavier and performser very well (i run one on the rear and i'm a big guy ) Edited November 22, 2009 by ogre Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jan Tore Posted November 22, 2009 Author Report Share Posted November 22, 2009 echo urbans come as vee and disc, theyre spot on for weight/price/strength ratio too if you want to experiment before splashing out on new forks onza 4 bolt to vee mounts are very good, and theres no need to go full whack for the avid ultimate, the sd 7 brake is only slightly heavier and performser very well (i run one on the rear and i'm a big guy )Well, as the price really isn't an issue, I'm just going for the best alternative right away. I'm preparing to stick with it anyway.And yes, I saw the Urban forks now. Heard they snap? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jan Tore Posted November 22, 2009 Author Report Share Posted November 22, 2009 Why has the Vee brake become so big then? How is it different from the magura? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hdmackay Posted November 22, 2009 Report Share Posted November 22, 2009 Why has the Vee brake become so big then? How is it different from the magura?Vee's have soo many advantages.They feel quickerThey are easier to set-upPads don't get rounded edges because there is no play in vee pads.LighterParts are more widely available. Cables etc.More powerful than Magura's and discsYou don't have to deflate your tyre to take your wheel offLevers like the Sd7 lever have a TPA (barrell adjuster) aswell as a power adjustmant so you can get the perfect feel out of your brakeThe list goes on to be honest.I wouldn't reccommend getting the Ultimates to be honest. They are very very expensive and the SD7's are great and cheap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Revolver Posted November 22, 2009 Report Share Posted November 22, 2009 The list goes on to be honest.Continue... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghostrider88 Posted November 22, 2009 Report Share Posted November 22, 2009 Continue...good one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dale-Hill Posted November 22, 2009 Report Share Posted November 22, 2009 Vee's have soo many advantages.They feel quickerThey are easier to set-upPads don't get rounded edges because there is no play in vee pads.LighterParts are more widely available. Cables etc.More powerful than Magura's and discsYou don't have to deflate your tyre to take your wheel offLevers like the Sd7 lever have a TPA (barrell adjuster) aswell as a power adjustmant so you can get the perfect feel out of your brakeThe list goes on to be honest.I wouldn't reccommend getting the Ultimates to be honest. They are very very expensive and the SD7's are great and cheap.haha really carn't belive you said that.. but then again.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncan_echo26 Posted November 22, 2009 Report Share Posted November 22, 2009 haha really carn't belive you said that.. but then again....Because its true Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0zzy Posted November 22, 2009 Report Share Posted November 22, 2009 Because its true prove it..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J Trials 31 Posted November 22, 2009 Report Share Posted November 22, 2009 Vees, awesome brakes. Get yourself some urbans and rock it, make sure you get it setup properly though. On a mod, I have some Zhi forks that have disc and vee mounts they are doing pretty well. Not sure where you can find them though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hdmackay Posted November 22, 2009 Report Share Posted November 22, 2009 (edited) Continue...good one haha really carn't belive you said that.. but then again....They obviously are. Maggies are more powerful than discs, vees are more powerful than maggies. Simple.Because its true Thank you! At least SOMEONE has sense. :wink2: Edited November 22, 2009 by hdmackay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ogre Posted November 23, 2009 Report Share Posted November 23, 2009 And yes, I saw the Urban forks now. Heard they snap? All forks snap... i'm on my second set of urbans now, my previous pair ran for nearly 2 years, and i rode them with a hefty crack for a few weeks without being to worried alot of the other vee forks on the market are alot lighter so i can't imagine them being any better. i think you get more life out of forks with a rim brake cause the stopping force doesn't all go through one point where the disc caliper is attached but through two points either side of the fork so i'd guess you get a longer life from the fork. but i'm sure someone will prove me wrong here haha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trialsmax04 Posted November 23, 2009 Report Share Posted November 23, 2009 Hope disk brake. Poll closed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ash-Kennard Posted November 23, 2009 Report Share Posted November 23, 2009 i wouldnt get an ultimate set up if you got a vee. sd7/shimano mix *** Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jan Tore Posted November 23, 2009 Author Report Share Posted November 23, 2009 i wouldnt get an ultimate set up if you got a vee. sd7/shimano mix ***Care to elaborate? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ali C Posted November 23, 2009 Report Share Posted November 23, 2009 haha really carn't belive you said that.. but then again....vee brakes are about 16% more powerful than maguras! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark W Posted November 23, 2009 Report Share Posted November 23, 2009 I'd go for the disc option up front, personally. The silence is a massive bonus, nice modulation yet you know it's still going to hold you. Definitely prefer them to rim brakes for the front (and, on mod, on the back ). Magura Louise brakes are pretty sweet, but with the majority of Magura disc brakes it seems like you may need to go one size bigger than you think (e.g. if you think you need a 160, get a 180). Hopes are naturally boss, so maybe the carbon-titanium Hope Monotrial? It's amazing value compared to the standard Monotrial - the price difference is about £30 or so, which just about covers the price of the carbon fibre level blade; just one of the extras you get with it. Certainly worth considering too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ash-Kennard Posted November 23, 2009 Report Share Posted November 23, 2009 Care to elaborate?well over the years ive heard people saying the ultimates are good, but not really worth the money as you can have shimano arms and a cheap avid lever producing a similar level of braking Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jan Tore Posted November 23, 2009 Author Report Share Posted November 23, 2009 Ordered a new front brake now. I bought a Try-All Hope 180mm brake. Seems it's the best there is to get.I went for disc, not only because I've got to try out a older hope disc now, but also, modulation, silence and generally good brake power. Also, I won't have to replace my forks, which are almost new anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Dark Posted November 23, 2009 Report Share Posted November 23, 2009 Ordered a new front brake now. I bought a Try-All Hope 180mm brake. Seems it's the best there is to get.I went for disc, not only because I've got to try out a older hope disc now, but also, modulation, silence and generally good brake power. Also, I won't have to replace my forks, which are almost new anyway.Good choice broseph...ive just changed to a Hope/Try-all from my snapped BB7 caliper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hdmackay Posted November 23, 2009 Report Share Posted November 23, 2009 vee brakes are about 16% more powerful than maguras! See Mr Dale Hill.Listen to him. He knows his stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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