Al_Fel Posted November 3, 2009 Report Share Posted November 3, 2009 What would also be nice touch with the Pro2t, would be the option to use the hub with or without snail cams. I.e. removeable spacers which would make the hub compatible with more frame/chain tensioning combinations.I currently run a Pro2t in a frame designed to use snails. I've got it sorted with some chain tugs, but it's not pretty. I'd give my right nut to be able to use snails with my Pro2.You don't have to run snail cams on the inside you know. Just swap the bolts around and shove them on the outside. Also if you have to you can drill them out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T.McMillan Posted November 3, 2009 Author Report Share Posted November 3, 2009 You don't have to run snail cams on the inside you know. Just swap the bolts around and shove them on the outside. Also if you have to you can drill them out.You cant on the koxx karbon, because of the shape of the dropouts they aren't flat on the outside. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ogre Posted November 3, 2009 Report Share Posted November 3, 2009 You cant on the koxx karbon, because of the shape of the dropouts they aren't flat on the outside.can't win-em all though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Vandart Posted November 4, 2009 Report Share Posted November 4, 2009 I'd be disappointed with Hope if they decided to go through with this. It's a waste of time and a daft idea. If hope want to compete in the trials market they should be making things like new free wheels, high engagement hubs, rim brakes and maybe cranks.+1A good 72 engagement freewhell from hope with an aluminum drive shell to make it lighter.High engagement 116mm hub- would be good for the BMX market also, not just trials.Rim brakes, from Hope! what a fab idea!f**k the cranks I'm just waiting for middleburn screwons. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordMersey Posted November 4, 2009 Report Share Posted November 4, 2009 Sorry bit of a dunce here but would i be able to use it with any rim? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ogre Posted November 4, 2009 Report Share Posted November 4, 2009 Sorry bit of a dunce here but would i be able to use it with any rim?yes assuming you can get the right length spokes to meet the erd of your rim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Polyrhythm Posted November 4, 2009 Report Share Posted November 4, 2009 Ive got snail cams in my frame, with a pro 2.Like it. Neat bodge But something that doesn't mean your frame spacing is forced apart would be great. Essentially, being able to use off-the-shelf parts is the point. Not everyone will be willing, or able, to faff about getting their bike working. I love a bit of bodging, but let's face it, most people just want to ride their bike rather than feck about with it.Hope cams would be rather yummy too You don't have to run snail cams on the inside you know. Just swap the bolts around and shove them on the outside. Also if you have to you can drill them out.Not on mine with its bloody fiddly drop-outs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordMersey Posted November 4, 2009 Report Share Posted November 4, 2009 yes assuming you can get the right length spokes to meet the erd of your rim Ah cheers.In which case I would only buy one if they are cheeper and stronger than the Pro 2s. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joshm1991 Posted February 12, 2013 Report Share Posted February 12, 2013 I'm sorry for, as they say, bringing this thread back from the dead, but I was looking on the Hope website today at work for a new hub shell for my Pro 2 and in the exploded diagram, there was a replacement option which uses straight pull spokes.. So I googled it and this thread came up. I was just wondering has it gone into production as an option to upgrade them to straight pull now? I've seen the Pro 3 uses straight pull spokes but I've never seen the trials hub with them! This is the diagram I'm talking about. http://www.hopetech.com/webtop/modules/_repository/documents/PROIIEvoSS-Trialexploded1.pdf Cheers Joosh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CalopS Posted February 12, 2013 Report Share Posted February 12, 2013 (edited) Tom posted a picture of his Ashton with a new proto hub on but the picture isn't very clear. I presumed it was a hub with more engagements but maybe its the straight pull version. http://sphotos-d.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/35528_10151480006547889_1083463985_n.jpg Edited February 12, 2013 by CalopS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joshm1991 Posted February 12, 2013 Report Share Posted February 12, 2013 It looks like its straight pull, specially looking at the front wheel.. It just seemed a bit wierd that coming up on the exploded diagram! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CalopS Posted February 12, 2013 Report Share Posted February 12, 2013 Ashton back up and running! new rear Proto hub ready for testing thanks Owen@hope ready to ride for tomorrow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew62 Posted February 13, 2013 Report Share Posted February 13, 2013 I run Pro 2's on my trials bike and my mountain bikes but I've never been enamoured with their full build wheels as there's not enough rim options in my opinion. If this is an issue in the MTB world then it's only going to be worse surely in trials? Will there be straight pull builds in both 24" & 26"? Also I've read a few different reviews that say the straight pull builds loose tension fairly quickly resulting in baggy wheels. I've never experienced this as I use the traditional hubs in custom builds but if they do loose tension over a traditional hub then what is the benefit? I can see why Hope aren't rushing ahead with a 116mm Pro2. In the grand scheme of things how many are realistically going to be sold vs how long it'll take to develop? I'd be interested to see how the straight pull hubs turn out but I'm not convinced they're necessary, especially being sold in a factory wheel set only option. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin Reynolds Posted February 13, 2013 Report Share Posted February 13, 2013 I run Pro 2's on my trials bike and my mountain bikes but I've never been enamoured with their full build wheels as there's not enough rim options in my opinion. If this is an issue in the MTB world then it's only going to be worse surely in trials? Will there be straight pull builds in both 24" & 26"? Also I've read a few different reviews that say the straight pull builds loose tension fairly quickly resulting in baggy wheels. I've never experienced this as I use the traditional hubs in custom builds but if they do loose tension over a traditional hub then what is the benefit? I can see why Hope aren't rushing ahead with a 116mm Pro2. In the grand scheme of things how many are realistically going to be sold vs how long it'll take to develop? I'd be interested to see how the straight pull hubs turn out but I'm not convinced they're necessary, especially being sold in a factory wheel set only option. I think the main benefit is that you have a spoke without a bend in it, making it stronger and less likely to break. I believe the issue with them loosing tension is that the whole spoke can turn, so they can 'undo' them selves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew62 Posted February 13, 2013 Report Share Posted February 13, 2013 I think the main benefit is that you have a spoke without a bend in it, making it stronger and less likely to break. I believe the issue with them loosing tension is that the whole spoke can turn, so they can 'undo' them selves. I've never had an issue with Hope hubs being weak in that area though, (I've only had issues with 12mm axles which isn't entirely uncommon) nor do I imagine many people have. I don't see it as an improvement if you can theoretically improve spoke strength slightly whilst making them susceptible to loosening? I mean if it's a case of throwing the trials free hub on the already in existence straight pull hub shells then why not I guess, but in the very small world of trials I don't think a full build option is the way to go, especially considering most people who hop around I imagine run fixed hubs? Other than some 24" riders who actually uses Pro 2's anymore (in trials)? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss-Higgy Posted February 13, 2013 Report Share Posted February 13, 2013 i vote 116! Oh and tell hope to make a nicer pink, and make it available 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted February 13, 2013 Report Share Posted February 13, 2013 116!! Everyone should be able to appreciate a hope on their mod Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghostrider88 Posted February 13, 2013 Report Share Posted February 13, 2013 Most people appreciate higher EPs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark W Posted February 13, 2013 Report Share Posted February 13, 2013 And lower overall weight. There are probably only a handful of people who'd actually want a 116mm Hope worldwide, so I doubt it's high on their list of priorities. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dan rider g Posted February 13, 2013 Report Share Posted February 13, 2013 QUOTE (Al_Fel @ Nov 3 2009, 04:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I'd be disappointed with Hope if they decided to go through with this. It's a waste of time and a daft idea. If hope want to compete in the trials market they should be making things like new free wheels, high engagement hubs, rim brakes and maybe cranks. +1 A good 72 engagement freewhell from hope with an aluminum drive shell to make it lighter. High engagement 116mm hub- would be good for the BMX market also, not just trials. Rim brakes, from Hope! what a fab idea! f**k the cranks I'm just waiting for middleburn screwons. screw on middleburns on pinkbike 1 of 6 made http://www.pinkbike.com/buysell/1220896/ sexy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CC12345678910 Posted February 18, 2013 Report Share Posted February 18, 2013 (edited) yes, there is a straight pull option shell on the hope parts list. This is because the trials version is denominated SS/T as in single speed/trials and thus not specifically for us people. I believe the straight pull Pro2/3 is more aimed at people like SS MTB nutters and hardcore/rich commuters who want a hub that can take repeated gate starts at traffic lights in high gears. Edited February 18, 2013 by CC12345678910 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew62 Posted February 18, 2013 Report Share Posted February 18, 2013 yes, there is a straight pull option shell, because the trials version is denominated SS/T. single speed/trials The straight one is aimed at people like SS MTB nutters, hardcore commuters and these hipster dicks on wannabe fixies (more interested in fairtrade coffee and looking like a tw@t in leggings than bikes or biking). You know the ones I mean... any wiser?? Thanks to your post I'd imagine most are certainly not 'the wiser'. Especially considering what you said is nonsense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ogre Posted February 18, 2013 Report Share Posted February 18, 2013 Echo 108s undermine the need for a mod pro2. A matching set of hope hubs would be nice on a 20 but not a must have existing trials gear is better and cheaper than hope gear. Can this silly want for fictitious products please die? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CC12345678910 Posted February 18, 2013 Report Share Posted February 18, 2013 (edited) if what i said was nonsense, i will edit and delete. But it still made sense when I re-read the quote; or it does at least to me, although I was/am in a kinda mood, 'cos the urk in my college class was p***ing me the f**k off by his existence this morning. excuse me peeps i'm off editing (and gonna put some more soothing music on ) EDIT: any better?? EDIT 2: Echo 108s undermine the need for a mod pro2. A matching set of hope hubs would be nice on a 20 but not a must have existing trials gear is better and cheaper than hope gear. You could say that about BMX kings, but people still spec 'em. Some even go to the faff on building a disc one. I'd + a thousand for the mod pro 2. Edited February 18, 2013 by CC12345678910 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndrewEH1 Posted February 18, 2013 Report Share Posted February 18, 2013 Thanks to your post I'd imagine most are certainly not 'the wiser'. Especially considering what you said is nonsense. Matt, it's okay to say you like wearing leggings around town. But yeah, straight pull hubs are probably not a great idea for trials. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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