T.McMillan Posted November 2, 2009 Report Share Posted November 2, 2009 Hi everybody,After my little poll about rim research the plan is for hope to produce a straight pull trials hub, similar to there pro3 hoops, and sell them as complete wheel's?What is everybody's opinions about the hub and complete wheels ready to build? All opinions taken into account.Here is a picture of a standard straight pull pro 3 so it will look similar to these.RegardsTom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Revolver Posted November 2, 2009 Report Share Posted November 2, 2009 (edited) I think it's unnecessary. May as well stick with plain spokes, which are more straight forward to buy.If you're going to put any idea to hope, it should be HURRY UP WITH A 116mm PRO II. Edited November 2, 2009 by Revolver 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WIGAN Posted November 2, 2009 Report Share Posted November 2, 2009 Those hubs look really good and knowing there from hope means your gunna get a good warranty service to boot, as for the full wheel thing thats a bad idea IMO its better just too sell them as single parts as people arn't going to want to pay for a full wheel when all they need is a hub or a rim! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigjames Posted November 2, 2009 Report Share Posted November 2, 2009 Indeeds, 116mm pro 2 and a true single speed hub like the Chris King single speed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WIGAN Posted November 2, 2009 Report Share Posted November 2, 2009 HURRY UP WITH A 116mm PRO II. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willis-gu Posted November 2, 2009 Report Share Posted November 2, 2009 Think they look good myself! not sure weather they look strong, however someone might know if they are or not. Also if they are making a full wheel build, there rims will obviously have to be stong enough for trials. Do they already make rims?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Rainbird Posted November 2, 2009 Report Share Posted November 2, 2009 They look good, though I've never really looked into straight pull wheelbuilds so know nothing. Strength?I'd imagine straight pull spokes are a little harder to get hold of.Hub only would be the one to go for - I can't see trials riders really being interested enough in a complete wheel.Indeeds, 116mm pro 2 and a true single speed hub like the Chris King single speed.This is probably better to focus on first... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monkeyseemonkeydo Posted November 2, 2009 Report Share Posted November 2, 2009 I don't really get the advantage of straight pull hubs/spokes... Looks like you'd be adding mass to the flange of the hub shell and since spokes always (with me anyway) snap at the nipple/thread you're not gaining anything strength wise are you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T.McMillan Posted November 2, 2009 Author Report Share Posted November 2, 2009 I think it's unnecessary. May as well stick with plain spokes, which are more straight forward to buy.If you're going to put any idea to hope, it should be HURRY UP WITH A 116mm PRO II.This is an idea hope have come up with to me, and want to know peoples opinion, im sure the 116mm proII is on its way watch this space, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notknown Posted November 2, 2009 Report Share Posted November 2, 2009 has it been tested in trials yet?depends on price for full builds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T.McMillan Posted November 2, 2009 Author Report Share Posted November 2, 2009 has it been tested in trials yet?depends on price for full builds.Not yet they want to see peoples opinion before they are going to be tested. they have got the drawings made up so far.I have been told from the designer at hope"i think they would make a really trick and stiff wheel set for trials" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaun H Posted November 2, 2009 Report Share Posted November 2, 2009 I think they'll generate higher sales and therefore higher profit per unit if they sell them (the rims and hubs) separately. The limiting factor really is the availability of straight pull spokes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psycholist Posted November 3, 2009 Report Share Posted November 3, 2009 I've never heard of anyone trying the existing pro3 XC front hub for trials, so I'm guessing it's not common (And I doubt if I'm going out on much of a limb saying it's nearly certain to be strong enough already without a trials specific version), so I reckon it's the straight pull spokes that put people off. The weight difference for straight pull spokes is grammes in many cases, but the chance of walking into a bike shop and finding suitable straight pull spokes in stock when you get caught out is pretty low compared to the chance of finding normal spokes. It needs to be lighter than the existing hubs to compete on paper since current front hubs seem to be plenty strong enough. Getting the front hub colour to match the rear is probably the main selling point for these, but a standard flanged front hub to match the rear would sell better I reckon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeCottTrials Posted November 3, 2009 Report Share Posted November 3, 2009 if its a lot stronger and the same/similar price then make it!if its only a bit stronger and a lot more expensive then I see no point.Tell hope to get on with 116mm hub, the bastards Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambo Posted November 3, 2009 Report Share Posted November 3, 2009 Why dont you ask folk where they find the failings in the current hope pro 2 design and improve it from there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muel Posted November 3, 2009 Report Share Posted November 3, 2009 We don't want or need straight pull spokes, we want a Mod Pro2! And have done since 2004!Well actually I don't now, you've taken so long I no longer ride Mod. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Vandart Posted November 3, 2009 Report Share Posted November 3, 2009 Not yet they want to see peoples opinion before they are going to be tested. they have got the drawings made up so far.I have been told from the designer at hope"i think they would make a really trick and stiff wheel set for trials"Does this designer ride trials.As has been said Pro II hub 116mm and what has happened with the 116mm screw on? got bored of waiting me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T.McMillan Posted November 3, 2009 Author Report Share Posted November 3, 2009 Does this designer ride trials.As has been said Pro II hub 116mm and what has happened with the 116mm screw on? got bored of waiting me.I will be the test rider of these hubs if they decide to go ahead and produce the hub, as well as a few others on the test team. As for the 116mm hubs im unsure, i don't ride mod and never intend to so it doesn't bother me although i shall mention it to Owen.RegardsTom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al_Fel Posted November 3, 2009 Report Share Posted November 3, 2009 I will be the test rider of these hubs if they decide to go ahead and produce the hub, as well as a few others on the test team. As for the 116mm hubs im unsure, i don't ride mod and never intend to so it doesn't bother me although i shall mention it to Owen.RegardsTomI'd be disappointed with Hope if they decided to go through with this. It's a waste of time and a daft idea. If hope want to compete in the trials market they should be making things like new free wheels, high engagement hubs, rim brakes and maybe cranks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LukasMcNeal Posted November 3, 2009 Report Share Posted November 3, 2009 No. We REALLY want the Hope pro 2 trials In 116mm!! The money you could make would be great! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Polyrhythm Posted November 3, 2009 Report Share Posted November 3, 2009 What would also be nice touch with the Pro2t, would be the option to use the hub with or without snail cams. I.e. removeable spacers which would make the hub compatible with more frame/chain tensioning combinations.I currently run a Pro2t in a frame designed to use snails. I've got it sorted with some chain tugs, but it's not pretty. I'd give my right nut to be able to use snails with my Pro2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T.McMillan Posted November 3, 2009 Author Report Share Posted November 3, 2009 What would also be nice touch with the Pro2t, would be the option to use the hub with or without snail cams. I.e. removeable spacers which would make the hub compatible with more frame/chain tensioning combinations.I currently run a Pro2t in a frame designed to use snails. I've got it sorted with some chain tugs, but it's not pretty. I'd give my right nut to be able to use snails with my Pro2.Ive got snail cams in my frame, with a pro 2.If people are wondering what N.R.B, this is a new change for the pro2 for 2010, It will have Needle Roller Bearings, and heat treated springs, I have been testing this hub for 11 months now and it has been the longest last hope I've had to date.RegardsTom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigjames Posted November 3, 2009 Report Share Posted November 3, 2009 They are snail cams Tom, but they aren't normal off the shelf ones are they! I think that's more what Greg was getting at. Needle roller bearings sound like a good idea Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Rainbird Posted November 3, 2009 Report Share Posted November 3, 2009 Singlespeed freehub (think King) makes so much sense, if it could be an option it'd be a winner.How many riders actually run a full cassette now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigjames Posted November 3, 2009 Report Share Posted November 3, 2009 Singlespeed freehub (think King) makes so much sense, if it could be an option it'd be a winner.How many riders actually run a full cassette now?Basically what i said? Just needs enough so you can move the cog for chain line adjustment with a few small spacers. Wider flange spacing= stronger wheel build Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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