Question Time.....nick Griffin

[minitrialer]

Discuss.....

Lockdown:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8321470.stm

Watch here:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b00nf...ime_22_10_2009/

I don't see a problem with him being allowed to voice his opinion, freedom of speech, and democracy etc etc. anyone got any interesting views on this subject or the program? Be good to get a discussion going.

[Fixed Pants™]

It was awesome. I'm quite bnpish, i like half of the stuff they preach. It was definitely an unfair argument, they never gave him half a chance to explain himself, however, he did have some shitty things he couldn't wriggle himself out of. Definitely served up a hot one when he said about muslim being a vicious religion, by serving up how they believe women to be 2nd class people etc.

I never really watch it but my sister had it on so i stuck around, was enjoyable.

[PaRtZ]

I will watch whrn sober!

[Tomm]

I quite enjoyed absolutely everyone laying into him for just being an utter bumbaclart. The bit about how he defined ethnic british people as those who came to this country at the end of the ice age 17 000 years ago - That was just absurd. And his fat little pudding face smiling every time someone insulted him for unknown reasons. He just looked like a fool if you ask me, which I anticipated after his recent appearances in the news.

But Jack straw didn't do particularly well when asked if labour were responsible for the rise of the BNP which was less expected.

[monkeyseemonkeydo]

He has some points about Islam though...

[MadManMike]

He got totally and utterly owned.

It was very amusing to see him get torn apart like that!

[anzo]

Typical. The public can't be respectful for a recognised (whether they like it or not) political party.

This pisses me off for several reasons;

1. I'll vote for who the f**k I like. No matter if some hippie says "We don't want the BNP", 'We', this means We as in the general public. However I'm sure most of the UK agree with their policies. What exactly gives them the right to speak for the nation and preach about what I do or don't want?

2. These 'politics' were ridiculous. The panel were like school children in some 'smart arse' competition. Most of the time they'd spit out a thousand questions to him and accuse him of not answering their question (probably because he was still answering the last 20 irrelevent questions).

3. They never let him speak. Always butting in, tugging the audience on their side and basically using schoolboy tactics.

4. Little discussion came away from immegration and 'What is a British person?' Which I was sick of hearing about. I think of a Brit as being a resident of this country from BRITH. No matter if my parents were from f**king Mars and Venus, if I was born in this country, I am British.

He made a bit of a fool of himself referring to the ice age, sure. But what kind of society has it become when you can't classify what Brit is? When its racist to declare yourself as British?

All these parties go on about being proud to be British; how do they define themselves as British?

I could do on.

I'm not a racist, I'm not a BNP supporter, but I do believe that people should be able to make their own minds up and not try to have that choice tainted by an audience member or a panel of politians.

No doubt this has damaged the BNP - of course they'll never get into power, I think even they realise that. However the BNP works well as a controling force of Labour, Cons, Libs and the mainstream parties becuase the BNP scares them.

No matter who you vote for, you'll aways get the government.

[monkeyseemonkeydo]

No doubt this has damaged the BNP - of course they'll never get into power, I think even they realise that.

You say that but I'm quite pleased that they got a couple of guys into the European Parliament. I wouldn't want them in power here but hopefully they might be able to stir things up in Brussels and reduce all the shite we have to put up with...

[Bobo_Grimmer]

Typical. The public can't be respectful for a recognised (whether they like it or not) political party.

This pisses me off for several reasons;

1. I'll vote for who the f**k I like. No matter if some hippie says "We don't want the BNP", 'We', this means We as in the general public. However I'm sure most of the UK agree with their policies. What exactly gives them the right to speak for the nation and preach about what I do or don't want?

2. These 'politics' were ridiculous. The panel were like school children in some 'smart arse' competition. Most of the time they'd spit out a thousand questions to him and accuse him of not answering their question (probably because he was still answering the last 20 irrelevent questions).

3. They never let him speak. Always butting in, tugging the audience on their side and basically using schoolboy tactics.

4. Little discussion came away from immegration and 'What is a British person?' Which I was sick of hearing about. I think of a Brit as being a resident of this country from BRITH. No matter if my parents were from f**king Mars and Venus, if I was born in this country, I am British.

He made a bit of a fool of himself referring to the ice age, sure. But what kind of society has it become when you can't classify what Brit is? When its racist to declare yourself as British?

All these parties go on about being proud to be British; how do they define themselves as British?

I could do on.

I'm not a racist, I'm not a BNP supporter, but I do believe that people should be able to make their own minds up and not try to have that choice tainted by an audience member or a panel of politians.

No doubt this has damaged the BNP - of course they'll never get into power, I think even they realise that. However the BNP works well as a controling force of Labour, Cons, Libs and the mainstream parties becuase the BNP scares them.

No matter who you vote for, you'll aways get the government.

+1 School boy tactics exactly. For a society bent on freedom of speech, that all went out the window during this show. "I'm not a racist, I'm not a BNP supporter, but I do believe that people should be able to make their own minds up and not try to have that choice tainted by an audience member or a panel of politians. " yes people have a right to ask questions and disagree with what is said but still the hekalling that went on was astonishing!

Edited October 23, 2009 by Bobo_Grimmer

[Fixed Pants™]

I lol'd so much when that guy said dick i mean nick...

[James Quigley]

I just thought it was hilarious that every time someone laid into him or ripped the piss he laughed at himself. The party itself is sneeky, trying to pretend they've grown up to win support and then if they ever get power the vile racism will start all over again. Nick put his foot in it last night with almost every sentence.

However it has come to a sorry state of affairs in this country if people dont find themselves having any choice other than to vote BNP.

[craigjames]

Some of his views and points are valid, others are beyond ridiculous, unfortunately i think the majority of people that would agree with some of the views of the BNP but not necessarily all of them would and are too scared to say so because it isn't PC. Black, muslim, Indian, Polish social clubs etc are all widely accepted but if a white english socail club came about, like the BNP they'd be made to allow members from ethinic minorities to join for equality and diversity reasons. I'm not racist, it just annoys me that the government and society positively discriminates to avoid PC issues.

I didn't think Mr Griffin was particulary good in that interview at all, but other times i've seen him he's responded brilliantly to questions, justified his answers and not come across as being racist, some how!

Edited October 23, 2009 by craigjames

[Spider Lad]

"I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it".

[Webber]

I lol'd so much when that guy said dick i mean nick...

Same

[anzo]

I didn't think Mr Griffin was particulary good in that interview at all

Interview? It was a debate, not 'An Evening with Nick Griffin'.

Jack Straw is a twat, his party put this country deeper and deeper in the shit with economy, immigration and robbing MPs. Who the f**k is he to point the finger at a party with a different view, when his poorly organised, joke of a party are allowed to 'run' the country.

Immigration consists of an average size of the BNPs policy agenda - however what about the other issues what were hardly raised or pondered upon? Unemployment, crime and the big Royal Mail strike which is a VERY hot political potato at the moment. They touched on it for about 2 minutes and then went on to the 'oh you f**king racist' banter from the boring, tiresome audience.

That wasn't an organised debate, that was a drunken pub row. And what the hell was David Dimbleby doing? He's supposed to be impartical and independant from the political parties...such as hell didn't seem that way.

[Spider Lad]

I saw exactly what I expected to see on Question Time last night. An hour of bullying with no real open discussion or debate.

[craigjames]

Totally agree with all you said.

[1a2bcio8]

When we don't allow for voices to be heard, regardless of how unpleasant we find them, it's a dangerous game. It lays a foundation to repeat the process but to other people who might actually be trying to say something that does relate to the health of people. We really really do not want a culture where the person who we've predecided is wrong, ammoral, etc. isn't listened to because all surface impressions, especially when we live in a media culture of spin, could easily be wrong. Just imagine if the Tories managed to demonise anyone who said anything against global warming as fear mongerers or idiotic and as a consequence nobody was offered a platform to speak on the matter. Or if they were offered a platform, it was not one where they could actually get a proper point across. Unfortunately, this sort of thing, in other but similar ways, happens to people trying to indicate the insidious motivations involved in foreign politics.

I do respect the protesting, as I don't like the BNP, but only in so much as it doesn't attempt to remove the general right we give for free speech.

Probably the only time where I question free speech is when somebody is publilcy calling for the murder of others.

justified his answers and not come across as being racist, some how!

That's what politicians are all about. Creating images, with use of rhetoric, which aren't true of themselves and their real motivations. Formal politics is still such a childish activity.

Edited October 23, 2009 by Ben Rowlands

[tris]

If by a miracle they did get into power, it would definitely make this coutry more of a target, and it would probably start a major war, because the policies they preach are much to extreme (reading their policies on their website can clearly be translated as racist and extemely right wing.) However if their policies where less right wing, they would be a much much more favourable party to bid for as not other country seems to be dealing with the massive immigration that this country is recieving which in the long run will make this a really shit place to live.

As for political correctness, its bullshit and out of control. I think stopping more blacks, polish and other major ethnic groups into this country is what needs to be done. Personally i don't like and feel intimidated when you walk round london and see 90% blacks, also the fact that races (blacks in particular really) tend to group together makes it quite threatening and in years to come it could well result in civil war, especially due to a mix of religions all living so close together....

The fact that you can't call christmas 'christmas' in some cities anymore really frustrates me, 'White Light Festival' Political correctness gone mad!!!

[rab shropshire]

The BNP as a party have some good fundamental ideas, not because I am racist in any way, but because in my oppinion they dont try to fill our heads with lies and dont tell us just what we want to hear. Yes alot of there policies are wrong and they take the whole concept of an only white society too far, but i do believe if they got into power they would not banish all ethnic minorities From the country. We live in a democratic state and just because nick griffin may want to banish everyone it would never happen.

As a member of the british army I fight alongside people of all races and religions, some of which were not even born in this country, and by doing so they earn every right to stay in this country in my oppinion.

I think people should look past colour and religion and look at what the person is contributing to our society, maybe implement a kind of national service for anyone who wishes to come and live in this country, this would solve 2 problems. 1- our undermanned forces in afghanistan and 2- immigrants would really have to be prepared to give their all to live here.

I know it sound like i am contradicting myself here but it sounds ok in my head lol

[chrishayton]

The BNP as a party have some good fundamental ideas, not because I am racist in any way, but because in my oppinion they dont try to fill our heads with lies and dont tell us just what we want to hear. Yes alot of there policies are wrong and they take the whole concept of an only white society too far, but i do believe if they got into power they would not banish all ethnic minorities From the country. We live in a democratic state and just because nick griffin may want to banish everyone it would never happen.

As a member of the british army I fight alongside people of all races and religions, some of which were not even born in this country, and by doing so they earn every right to stay in this country in my oppinion.

I think people should look past colour and religion and look at what the person is contributing to our society, maybe implement a kind of national service for anyone who wishes to come and live in this country, this would solve 2 problems. 1- our undermanned forces in afghanistan and 2- immigrants would really have to be prepared to give their all to live here.

I know it sound like i am contradicting myself here but it sounds ok in my head lol

Erm did you watch newsnight. Hes hardly honest, denying things then 2 minutes later admitting it.

[Rusevelt]

He got totally and utterly owned.

It was very amusing to see him get torn apart like that!

Couldn't agree more, even though he had a few plausible constructive comments he pretty much f**ked up his political status right there.

[Fishy]

Nick Griffins eyes are trying to escape his face.

[Muel]

I think the BNP needs to reform now, they need to start campaigning for British people, not white people. They now have to allow black and asian people to join which I thinks a good step, and if they just aim at campaigning against immigration instead of against all black and asian people who were born here.

If the BNP reformed and got rid of Nick Griffin and the whole racist face they carry, I'd be much more supportive of them. Probably not vote for them as I'm much more of a Conservative though.

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Come on Allen, if a white horse was born in a stable where only black horses live, it's still a f**king horse. The whole "dog born in a stable" thing is utter bollocks, it's like saying if a human was given a water-birth, is it a fish?

[tkD]

Interview? It was a debate, not 'An Evening with Nick Griffin'.

Jack Straw is a twat, his party put this country deeper and deeper in the shit with economy, immigration and robbing MPs. Who the f**k is he to point the finger at a party with a different view, when his poorly organised, joke of a party are allowed to 'run' the country.

Immigration consists of an average size of the BNPs policy agenda - however what about the other issues what were hardly raised or pondered upon? Unemployment, crime and the big Royal Mail strike which is a VERY hot political potato at the moment. They touched on it for about 2 minutes and then went on to the 'oh you f**king racist' banter from the boring, tiresome audience.

That wasn't an organised debate, that was a drunken pub row. And what the hell was David Dimbleby doing? He's supposed to be impartical and independant from the political parties...such as hell didn't seem that way.

+1, People only see the main factor of the BNP Which seems to be immigration and things along those lines, they also have other agendas to put across to the British public, they basically interrogated him which in my eyes, was very unfair, they barely let him speak! I think that people still think the BNP is the way it used to be, Nick Griffin has turned the BNP around, and in my opinion, there definitely should be a strict limitation on immigration into this country.