trialsmax04 Posted October 20, 2009 Report Share Posted October 20, 2009 right all,Ive dismantled the front rim from my bike to give it a change of colour. Painted and its all loverly now. However upon putting it back to gether i went for a 4 cross wheel build as in the wiki. The disk flange side is fine. but the non-disk side i can only cross over two spokes. It makes no sence. I followed the wiki perfectly and its all gone together fine. But only one side is 2 cross and not 4 cross it also seams that i have done 2 spokes to the left, then 2 spokes to the right, 2 to the left 2 to the right. Is this where ive gone wrong????hellllpppmax Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam Moss Posted October 20, 2009 Report Share Posted October 20, 2009 Im not quite sure but you could try it again. youve obviously not trewed it and waisted all that time and if you do restart then you might not need to go all the way back to the begening. Id just rebuild it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Rainbird Posted October 20, 2009 Report Share Posted October 20, 2009 Was the wheel built 4x before? If not, you'll have issues... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james webster Posted October 20, 2009 Report Share Posted October 20, 2009 Right then. What rim and hub is it. What was the wheel before you pulled it apart. Was it 4 cross or 3 cross. or was it one side 3 cross and one side strait pull. as they all need different length spokes to get it right. you cant put 3 cross spokes in to 4 cross. or 4 cross in to 3 cross. sorting wheels the first time or two is very hard. there are web sites that will help a lot. if you cant do it. its best to find a mate or lbs that can. you don't want to be riding a wheel that is not nice and strong. hope this helps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Borat Posted October 20, 2009 Report Share Posted October 20, 2009 Im not quite sure but you could try it again. youve obviously not trewed it and waisted all that time and if you do restart then you might not need to go all the way back to the begening. Id just rebuild it.Urm. Mate, is the disk flange and (non)disk frange completly different sizes? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trialsmax04 Posted October 20, 2009 Author Report Share Posted October 20, 2009 (edited) Was the wheel built 4x before? If not, you'll have issues... I cant really remember.Im going to take another look at it tomorow.I havnt taken up any tension yet. Ive just looked at it and i seemed to have done one side 3 croos(not 4) and the other 2 cross. I think my problem lies where i havnt twisted the hub enough....Edit, yes i am a doughnut and didnt look at the spoke pattern.Its a tryall 32h rim, a quando hub with the disk side bigger than non disk side... Edited October 20, 2009 by trialsmax04 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Borat Posted October 20, 2009 Report Share Posted October 20, 2009 How much bigger? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muel Posted October 20, 2009 Report Share Posted October 20, 2009 Got any pics of it before you messed with it mate? It's very hard to make a 32h mod wheel work when built 4X, so I'd imagine you need to build both sides 3x.When you took the spokes out, you did make sure you kept the spokes from each side seperate and labelled them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trialsmax04 Posted October 21, 2009 Author Report Share Posted October 21, 2009 Got any pics of it before you messed with it mate? It's very hard to make a 32h mod wheel work when built 4X, so I'd imagine you need to build both sides 3x.When you took the spokes out, you did make sure you kept the spokes from each side seperate and labelled them?Oh god. Ive really f**ked this up. The actual build itself is fine. Its just the crossing spokes that have fecked up. I wish i never touched it now!Max Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Pearson Posted October 21, 2009 Report Share Posted October 21, 2009 Oh god. Ive really f**ked this up. The actual build itself is fine. Its just the crossing spokes that have fecked up. I wish i never touched it now!MaxSimple solution: Your spokes should be two different lengths. Separate them out and measure one from each group so you know how long they are. Find out EXACTLY what hub you have and what rim. Write these four things down (Hub make/model, rim make/model, spoke length 1 and spoke length 2). Ring tartybikes, tell them what you've got and what pattern you should lace each side up as. If you DESPERATELY want to go four-cross, they'll be able to supply you with the spokes you need and a bit of know-how to send you on your way.Rich Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trialsmax04 Posted October 21, 2009 Author Report Share Posted October 21, 2009 (edited) Simple solution: Your spokes should be two different lengths. Separate them out and measure one from each group so you know how long they are. Find out EXACTLY what hub you have and what rim. Write these four things down (Hub make/model, rim make/model, spoke length 1 and spoke length 2). Ring tartybikes, tell them what you've got and what pattern you should lace each side up as. If you DESPERATELY want to go four-cross, they'll be able to supply you with the spokes you need and a bit of know-how to send you on your way.RichCheers rich. That actually made sence. My problem is the hub is a quando and has no model on it. I know my rim is tryall, but again dont know the model as it came with the bike. Im going to start it again tonight as i think it is, as you said, a simple solution. I was just rushing it last night. Oh and rich are you coming out next week?Also What is the most common spoke pattern on a mod?cheers guys maxEdit: This is the rim here Tarty Edited October 21, 2009 by trialsmax04 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hdmackay Posted October 21, 2009 Report Share Posted October 21, 2009 Double 4-cross for a front rim is completely unnecessary. That's where you've gone wrong me thinks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trialsmax04 Posted October 21, 2009 Author Report Share Posted October 21, 2009 Double 4-cross for a front rim is completely unnecessary. That's where you've gone wrong me thinks. Okay, should i 3 cross both sides then? What would you recommend? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigjames Posted October 21, 2009 Report Share Posted October 21, 2009 Three cross should be more than adequate and i imagine its what you had before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trialsmax04 Posted October 21, 2009 Author Report Share Posted October 21, 2009 all sorted now lads. Wasnt too difficult once id got into the process of it. Did a 3 cross pattern in the end and looks good so far.Max Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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