Mark W Posted September 5, 2009 Report Share Posted September 5, 2009 This is a fairly random request, but could anyone with a 24" bike give me these two measurements? Hopefully it should be reasonably straightforward from that, but just basically from the headtube/bars to where they intersect with each other. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Leech Posted September 6, 2009 Report Share Posted September 6, 2009 Heya mark,100mm horizontal, 140 vertical approx. . Feeling a bit low atm btw .Hope its some help,Josh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark W Posted September 7, 2009 Author Report Share Posted September 7, 2009 Perfect - thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NVWOCI WVS Posted September 7, 2009 Report Share Posted September 7, 2009 When I was riding 24" on the leeson, I was rocking some 3" riser bars, a 90mm x 20 degree stem and a 10mm stacker with a king headset and pashley forks. The bars were in a very upright position, not leant forwards whatsoever. I don't know what dimensions this gives, but you can probably guess roughly. It felt really natural swapping between this and my deluxe with 8" united squad bars and an atilla Frontin' stem with a 5mm stacker. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve-A Posted September 7, 2009 Report Share Posted September 7, 2009 I think you've just gotta find you're own way with bars/stem on a 24, there seems a huge range in bar rise/width and stem length between riders. When I got my 24 back off sam with that bar set-up it felt plain wrong to me, but it obviously suited him and his riding. I agree it made it a similar riding position to BMX. I'm now running some 24" wide 1" rise bars and a 10x90mm stem and it feels much better to me. If you're considering set-up coming from a bmx background one thing I'd say is don't compromise trials too much. I've tried plenty of bar and stem combos on my 24 over the last 5 years and I've personally found that going for a really short stem, say 40/50mm and some higher bars really make the bike feel more bmxy. Really noticeable in things like stability of hopping up out of manuals. BUT it made riding any sort of real trials a complete pain. At the end of the day its a 24 trials bike and so is never gonna be like a bmx, the difference in riding feel to have a 90/100mm stem is minimal but once on the backwheel it makes a huge difference.At the other end of the scale I've run 28" wide bars and a longer stem. For me this made backhopping nice, and made the bike feel more like a 'real' trials bike BUT it was horrible to bunnyhop and spin with. I also couldn't ride trials aswell. @$s generally being short seem ot respond to the old fashioned riding with 'pop' kinda like riding a short mod, rather than the feel of riding a long modern stock, and so I think feel better set-up with light tires and a medium length stem with comparatively narrow bars.If you are seriously looking into buying a 24 its worth getting on a ride with all the 24 guys as its amazing how different the bikes feel even though most are running the same frame. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skoze Posted September 7, 2009 Report Share Posted September 7, 2009 (edited) If you're considering set-up coming from a bmx background one thing I'd say is don't compromise trials too much. I've tried plenty of bar and stem combos on my 24 over the last 5 years and I've personally found that going for a really short stem, say 40/50mm and some higher bars really make the bike feel more bmxy. Really noticeable in things like stability of hopping up out of manuals. BUT it made riding any sort of real trials a complete pain. At the end of the day its a 24 trials bike and so is never gonna be like a bmx, the difference in riding feel to have a 90/100mm stem is minimal but once on the backwheel it makes a huge difference.Couldn't agree more with that! I broke my 80mm 20* stem on the tour, changed to a 100mm x 10* stem (admittedly with an extra 5/10mm [i cant remember] stacker underneath) and it made such a huge difference to the bike, feels brilliant now! Really good for both streety manually bunnyhoppy goodness, and also sits fine on the back wheel now. That's all with sam's old 2.5/3" (can never remember) riser bars Edited September 7, 2009 by Skoze Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark W Posted September 7, 2009 Author Report Share Posted September 7, 2009 Profile and S&M make some pretty f**king long ol' stems, like 53mm + long, so I was kinda thinking of maybe teaming one of those stems up with a set of S&M's 5.75" rise cruiser Slams. According to that guy's measurements up there, his bars are pretty much in the position that a slammed longer BMX stem and those 5.75" rise bars would be. It'd be an interesting experiment, and I'd have a hell of a lot more faith in my bars if they were those S&Ms over some weedy little alu bars with no brace!It's mainly the lack of upsweep that I like, having gotten used to it on my BMX now. It just feels really good, so I'm not sure how much I'd want to deal with it on a trials bike having felt how good it is. But we'll see... this is all for the future once I've got a job 'n' stuff, so I just thought I'd have a bit of a think about it all now. I'll probably end up going down the 'normal' bar and stem route in any case, but wanted to have a think about alternatives. I'm getting pretty keen on the idea of it all now though... brakeless 24" trialsy stuff. Mmm... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aener Posted September 7, 2009 Report Share Posted September 7, 2009 f**king long ol' stems, like 53mm + longGo tell that to a mod rider Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark W Posted September 7, 2009 Author Report Share Posted September 7, 2009 Yeah, but that's long for a BMX, to be fair. I think my current stem on my BMX is about 48mm...These are the bars by the way. Although they're in black here, they also come in chrome These stems come in 60mm too...But to be fair, they'd probably look incredibly shite on a 24"er so I may not bother on the aesthetic front alone... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve-A Posted September 8, 2009 Report Share Posted September 8, 2009 I still think you'll make the bike feel really odd with bars that high. Take a bunnyhop for example. Comparatively between my BMX and my Leeson 24 the Leeson takes longer to pull up the front and more effort, but one the front is up leveling out is easy. On the BMX lifting the front is easy, but it requires much more of a hip thrust to lift the rear wheel and level the bike out. I think if you have high bars it will feel more like a BMX bunnyhop technique, but because the basic wheel geometry is of a trials bike it will just end up feeling rubbish. It will also make most TGS type moves really hard. So you just end up with a trials bike trying to be a BMX and failing. If you stick with a lower bar set-up with slightly longer stem then although it might take a bit longer for the bike to feel natural and for you to re-adapt your techniques, but once you have you will end up with a bike quite capable of trials and you're prior knowledge of how the BMX tricks work its surprisingly easy to do them on the 24.As for brakeless, its great IF you have the right spots to ride. I've ridden brakeless for a couple of weeks, and more recently I rode the 24tour bristol ride with no brakes and its great. There's plenty of scope and cool lines to be had. But that was bristol... Back in Worcester very few of the spots lend themselves to brakeless riding, I just felt very limited. Its well worth a shot, and can be great fun. Just don't discount the option of fitting a rear brake. I've been riding without a front brake for months and it doesn't bother me, on street there are very few times where it limits what I can do, but a rear brakes just opens so many more trials opportunities. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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