Mtb Vs Bmx For Street And Dirt

[Haz]

Choose a bike, ride it, enjoy it.

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If you're not fighting with people who have opposing hobbies to yours, you're not doing it right.

[Max Quinn]

Uk bmx trails, are nothing compared to American/Australian etc. ones. But im talking about in general, not just uk trails

Well yeah i'm just using the uk bmx/mtb scenes as an example cos they're what I know.

And no, you said the people who couldn't pump it weren't big names........? I REALLY cant see how just cause it was on mtb, meant they couldn't pump it.

Sorry i kinda said that confusingly, alot of the big names obviously still struggled alot and it was generally blogged in the mountainbike world that they were 'shit' (read: 'hard') jumps. But again I'm just using the people I know (one of whom rides with the DMR team alot) to emphasise that point.

and yes, i agree bmx trails are harder, due to having to know how to pump correctly etc, but just cause mtb'ers dont build bmx trails, doesnt mean they don't travel to ride other peoples trails?

Obviously not, but that doesn't make up for riding them day in day out, and they'll also often ride other mtb trails due to knowing people they're etc and that generally being the scene they work in. Also, the ammount of trails builders that hate having mtbers travel to their trails due to how much they f**k them up is another story

I know bmx is a lot better for park and ramp and street and that and i completely understand why, but i just cant see how 24" dirt specific bikes would struggle on trails, even if they are harder and steeper, because not all 24"ers have suspension, a lot are rigid, so there just as smooth as a bmx if there ridden correctly?

Yes, but due to the bigger bike it's hard to look as in control of the bike and put the bike exactly where you want rather than kinda 'dead sailoring', and again it's less learnt as bigger wheels mean landings are never as harsh. It is possible, but it's not ideal, that's my point Almost every mtber i know also runs reaallly soft tyres in some sort of effort to get over the fact that they took they're sus off.

I'm not saying it's not possible, but it's like people doing bmx tricks on a fixie. Sure, have fun, keep doing it, I really don't mind and like says it's positive whatever they're riding, but don't try and argue that it's more ideal

Haz: We're not fighting, merely debating

Mike: Of course, you'll enjoy whatever, but we're discussing choosing the best bike. Besides, arguing is fun.

[Webber]

Not had time to look at those massive replies but, has anyone taken into account 24" bmx's?

[Mark W]

Yeah I know that, but that doesn't mean someone couldn't do them on a 24"? Anyone who can ride trails to a decent standard, should be able to judge there speed well and adjust things in mid air for steeper landings. If you compare a bmx'er to a mtb'er that only rides trails with mellow landings then yeah the bmx'er will have more control because generally if you can ride trials with steep landings you can ride trails with mellow landings. But if you compare a bmx'er to a mtb'er that rides a mix of trails from big steep ones, to long mellow ones, there bike control would be the same, as they'd be riding the same sort of things surly?

I wasn't refering to trails with the rider skill thing. I meant BMX trails were harder to ride anyway, but with the 'less margin for error 'cos of no sus, etc.' thing I was talking about street and park.

I just browsed around for a bit trying to find a MTBer with killer style that would blow Marks theory out of the water, I was sure that there MUST be someone somewhere.. But meh, can't find anyone.

So in support of Marks post, here is the best I could find.. He's still pretty badass and has good style, but it's nothing on BMX.

CLICK

That's the thing - none of them have a style that's any good at all. Especially funny when you see them trying to do 'style' tricks like tables, turndowns or lookbacks (MTBers really, really need to stop doing them) and stuff like that.

Yeah I can quite believe that, it's exactly why I ride bmx for park Still ride my mtb for half pipes though, just for a bit of crack! But a lot of people still ride 24" for park, got a dmr poster of my wall of the dmr team riding park, so it is possible.

No-one's saying it's not possible to ride park/street on MTBs...

No no no, I only used grinds and that as an example, I do realise bmx is further ahead in all areas of tricking. As bmx's are smaller so there easier to chuck around and such in the air and on the ground.

...as you also noted, we were saying that BMXs are better for doing it

Uk bmx trails, are nothing compared to American/Australian etc. ones. But im talking about in general, not just uk trails

What? I'm guessing you're talking about MTB trails there, because the UK trail scene is well respected all around the world. Plenty of the bigger US trails scenes were going on about how good the UK trails and trails scene is in the Dig trails issue.

[eskimo]

If you're going as far as CRVs, you might as well f**k the chrome rim off, run a normal rim and at least have a slightly more reliable brake?

By "adapt my tricks/style" - do you just mean when you get on an MTB you join their 'style' of looking wooden as f**k? But nah, I enjoy riding MTBs, but only on off-road kinda shit like downhill, singletrack, etc. It's what they're made to do, and it's what they're best at. If you're just going to try and bite BMX, it's no different to trying to do it on a fixie. At the end of the day, you're still just using the wrong tool for the job.

I don't think i'd get any more reliability from another rim. Well i actually doubt i'd get anything at all from Odyssey's super hard (heh) anodize. It's just if i want max power and bite (talking trials noise/ performance) then i have to ovoid dust and clean my rim often. Whereas a standard vee brake will offer this without me checking it before each ride.

As for changing style. I mean i won't bother with certain tricks and become more laid back. It's only as different as me removing my pegs or brake. It's just different, like being able to get lazy or having to put more effort in for certain tricks.

The bold bit is definitely true. BMXs are for tricks, but with the advantage of having pegs.

Not had time to look at those massive replies but, has anyone taken into account 24" bmx's?

I have one of them. It's just a scaled up trails/ park bmx. Very fun.

[austen]

Right,

I think mtb(24") are perfectly capable of riding bmx trails, and I don't think purely because of the steepness there should be a problem.

But I'm giving up in this "debate" because I'm never going to win! so you bmx lot win