Czar Mod '08 (short Wheelbase) Vs Inspired 4play?

[welljim]

I'm trying to decide between the 2, is there anyone who has ridden both and would like to share their experiences? Any opinions or pros & cons greatly appreciated.

Here's some relevant facts about me:

I'm currently ridding a Specialized Enduro SL, which is a full suspension all mountain bike. Obviously nothing to do with trials, yet I keep trying the moves on it and have a nice time despite the torture I endure in the process... which is why I finally decided to get a proper trials bike.

I'm under the impression that those 2 bikes are geometrically different, and for different type of ridding? Some more clarifications about this would help me a lot.

- I personally enjoy trials moves, mostly on urban features.

- I'd like a bike that would help me stay on that back wheel, allow me to clear large gaps, and climb high

- there's a BMX park really close, and I would like to be able to get the bike in there and improvise..

- but I wouldn't like this particular convenience to compromise substantially the trials capabilities of the bike

Why I propose the 4play? because I get the impression by looking at it that it's more versatile (I don't know if that is actually true..). But is it suitable for proper trials?? If most people here think that versatility is just something that I'll have to forget in favor of performance, I'm prepared to comply. I was also reading somewhere else that people really like the mods at first, but then after they progress some, they want to swap them for a stock? (because, according to that article, not being able to cycle even small distances to the park next door eventually gets you.. i.e., they are very inconvenient)

Why I propose the Czar? There is one for sale in good condition and price close to where I live.

Any help greatly appreciated.

Thanks!

PS

I'm 5'7

Edited July 20, 2009 by welljim

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I'm trying to decide between the 2, is there anyone who has ridden both and would like to share their experiences? Any opinions or pros & cons greatly appreciated.

Here's some relevant facts about me:

I'm currently ridding a Specialized Enduro SL, which is a full suspension all mountain bike. Obviously nothing to do with trials, yet I keep trying the moves on it and have a nice time despite the torture I endure in the process... which is why I finally decided to get a proper trials bike.

I'm under the impression that those 2 bikes are geometrically different, and for different type of ridding? Some more clarifications about this would help me a lot.

- I personally enjoy trials moves, mostly on urban features.

- I'd like a bike that would help me stay on that back wheel, allow me to clear large gaps, and climb high

- there's a BMX park really close, and I would like to be able to get the bike in there and improvise..

- but I wouldn't like this particular convenience to compromise substantially the trials capabilities of the bike

Why I propose the 4play? because I get the impression by looking at it that it's more versatile (I don't know if that is actually true..). But is it suitable for proper trials?? If most people here think that versatility is just something that I'll have to forget in favor of performance, I'm prepared to comply. I was also reading somewhere else that people really like the mods at first, but then after they progress some, they want to swap them for a stock? (because, according to that article, not being able to cycle even small distances to the park next door eventually gets you.. i.e., they are very inconvenient)

Why I propose the Czar? There is one for sale in good condition and price close to where I live.

Any help greatly appreciated.

Thanks!

PS

I'm 5'7

By what you have listed what you want.

I would say you should get a Inspired 4play.

I have a 2007/8? Czar and you would have to be insanely good to do BMX on it, the geometry is way to off because it is a trials bike. The 4play is specificly designed for street riding and trials.

The 4play will lack a tiny bit in the trials area because it is street and trials, it is way better than a Czar if you want to go to a skate park.

I have to ride 700-900 meters to get to places to ride in my town, and yes it does get a bit annoying but if you have higher gearing on either to two you wont be as good at doing trials. Some people do go to stock due to personal preference, for taller people stocks are a bit better because they are longer. People start on mods because they are smaller, lighter, you can flick them around more and are easier to learn on, and tend to be stronger (I think). A 4play is also strong but may not be as easy to learn on (Ive never ridden one so I might be wrong).

Czar Pros: Proper geometry for trials, easier to learn on, Cheaper, and they look good.

Czar Cons: Not good for BMX or street riding, traveling long distances is hard, it is a one purpose only bike.

4play Pros: Danny M has one!, multi purpose bike, can be used as a trials bike and a BMX/street bike, look good.

4play Cons: Really expensive, not as good to learn on, heavier, being a new rider you will be more likely to buckle the rims easier.

This is all I know at the moment and I hope that it will be usefull to you. Mainly, do what you think is better.

But ask around and find out what others think.

P.s. There are cheaper 24" bikes out there than a 4play, Marino makes custom bikes cheaply and you can get a 4play geometry if you want and from what I have heard he is a good man to deal with.