anzo Posted July 16, 2009 Report Share Posted July 16, 2009 Right...Escort 1.8 Turbo DieselStart the car up and on tickover, the car starts to choke...the engine makes a knocking sound and sounds like its going to cut out (but never has). Give it some revs and excessive smoke comes out the back (not loads, but enough to know its not right).Pull off and staying in first gear it goes to really low revs and then suddenly it'll jump to life and pull like hell, other gears are fine. When you're driving the car everything feels fine, its just when idle and in first gear.However this problem comes and goes throughout the day, its not a constant thing and there is no consistancy of when it occurs.As much as I know about diesel engines is to not put petrol in them. A mate of mine is going to have a look over the weekend but I'll be good to get a few ideas on the go first.Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I-LikeMatchesDerFun Posted July 16, 2009 Report Share Posted July 16, 2009 I had the same problem in my old Mondeo. After 3 weeks in the garage, the mechanic said it was the turbo, but I got a neighbour to look at it. It was a circlip missing on the throttle cable. That was it. 5 cent worth of a circlip after 3 weeks in a garage! Have a look in the engine bay and check to see if the throttle cable is sticking. That doesn't explain the knocking sound though, so I'm no help on that front.Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pashley26 Posted July 16, 2009 Report Share Posted July 16, 2009 Sounds like an ECU fault to me, if it was "a circlip on the throttle cable" it wouldn't happen when it's only at idle.Does it have a knock sensor, or a CPS sensor ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N.Wood Posted July 16, 2009 Report Share Posted July 16, 2009 Sounds like an ECU fault to me, if it was "a circlip on the throttle cable" it wouldn't happen when it's only at idle.Does it have a knock sensor, or a CPS sensor ?He's just told you he knows f**k all about cars, do you think everyone in the world knows what a CPS sensor is? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pashley26 Posted July 16, 2009 Report Share Posted July 16, 2009 (edited) Can you not read Nick ?He clearly says; As much as I know about diesel engines is to not put petrol in them. A mate of mine is going to have a look over the weekend but I'll be good to get a few ideas on the go first.By the sounds of it his mates doing the work and he wants a few ideas, and questions to ask his mate.What I said is pretty much spot on for the symptom he's describing, so chill out with the flaming "just because it's Jardo".I want to write so much shit, but I'm not even going to bother because you've ALWAYS got a shitty attitude with me for some reason. Even now when I'm trying to help someone out your giving me shit, whats all that about ? I don't see you offering suggestions of the first places to look, your just trying to belittle me. Edited July 16, 2009 by Pashley26 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N.Wood Posted July 16, 2009 Report Share Posted July 16, 2009 Whoa there, chill out. If you explained what a CPS sensor was (maybe not using a TLA?) and where he could find out if he had one or not that might have been more helpful. I agree, taking it to a garage would be the best bet, but he explained he wanted some advice incase it was a known problem and to arm him with some questions to ask his matey bey who knows whats going on. Advice is free, a garage isn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pashley26 Posted July 16, 2009 Report Share Posted July 16, 2009 I guess I might have jumped the gun a little :$ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fish-Finger-er Posted July 16, 2009 Report Share Posted July 16, 2009 Sounds like an ECU fault to me, if it was "a circlip on the throttle cable" it wouldn't happen when it's only at idle.Does it have a knock sensor, or a CPS sensor ?Itll have both a knock sensor and a crank position sensor, however theres not a chance in the world i can see it being the crank position sensor.One personally would go for the fuel pump, theyve got a rotary cam that advances and retards the timing(cant actually remember how its controlled on those engines, think its a solenoid though, as opposed to a stepper motor.) either the solenoid controlling that, or the actual pump assembly itself. basically its struggling to control its timing. as it advances it too far, it starts to knock, then as it cut backs and retards it,it just cant hold the happy medium ground. it almost causes it to cut out, at a guess the smoke is just the unburnt fuel.Obviously thats a pretty big stab in the dark, but itd be kinda where id start looking. as with any vehicle running the Lucas CAV fuel filter, they do give trouble, due to the large number of rubber sealing rings in them, that can mean they give up the ghost, and also the primers on them, often perish and split, which would cause running problems(possibly almost cutting out at idle, lack of power) but dont think theyd be causing the knock though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trials_pimp Posted July 16, 2009 Report Share Posted July 16, 2009 Your both wrongEndura D engine doesnt use any sensors.It has a Rotarty Fuel pump and thats it. The problem could be many things, and without seeing it I cant be sure.Start Simple, when was the car last serviced? Might be worth giving it a good service. Make sure the fuel filter is done, or just stick a fresh one on it for the sake of it. Also consider changing the Glow plugs.Have a look under the bonnet for any fuel leaks, or any split hoses. It could be pulling air in due to a split breather hose or other air leak.These engines are super simple, but be careful around the fuel system. The last thing you want to do is upset the fuel pump.What year is the Escort? Some of the later ones had solenoids on the pump for idle and fuel shut-off.To be honest you will never get a good answer about motor vehicle repair from a forum made mosty of kids and idiots. Most of them just want to throw in big words to make it sound like they know something.Those who do know about cars can point a direction, but its imposible to diagnose a fault over the internet. A few questions:Does it get better/worse when the engine has wamrd up?Does it get better/wprse under load?what color is the smoke coming out the back when it is smoking'? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fish-Finger-er Posted July 16, 2009 Report Share Posted July 16, 2009 (edited) erm,your wrong, s it does have a crankshaft position sensor, otherwise it wouldnt know engine speed for a start . you remove it to stick the locking pin in when you do the cambelt. granted, as i said, its not going to be the cause of the problemand its timing is adjusted using a solenoid or stepper motor, so its not just a rotary pump, as the cold advance and light load advance are electronically operated, which kind of sounds like the issue. also, do you not think it sounds exactly like the syptoms youd get if the solenoid was iffy on one of the transit lumps? hence my idea for a diagnosis. Im sorry, but im not 100% convinced by your knowledge, as on the topic about adams fiesta, you said checking compression on a 1.4 tdci lump was a stupidly involved tasking requiring special tools etc. yet even when using ETIS to advise me on how to do it, it required no special tools, other than an adapter to allow you to get the correct angle to get the compression tester in place. and a suitable adapter would of come bundled with any universal compression tester, that id expect a garage to own.once its going the glowplugs arent really doing jack, not to mention this time of year, there not really doing jack, so dont see how itd be worth changing them,as for the fuel filters and priming pumps,despite no longer having any escort vans we run jcbs, winch trailers, and generators with them, and are quite often replacing filters due to the O rings leaking, or the priming pump due to it perishing and cracking. Edited July 16, 2009 by Fish-Finger-er Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anzo Posted July 17, 2009 Author Report Share Posted July 17, 2009 Start Simple, when was the car last serviced? Might be worth giving it a good service. Make sure the fuel filter is done, or just stick a fresh one on it for the sake of it. Also consider changing the Glow plugs.Have a look under the bonnet for any fuel leaks, or any split hoses. It could be pulling air in due to a split breather hose or other air leak.I've been told this bit before, basically by a mate over the phone who said it could just be sucking air in through a split hose - sounds like the simpliest thing to check first really so I'll do that later.Last service was at 45000, which was about 2 months ago.What year is the Escort?Its a R Reg (1997 - 1998).A few questions:Does it get better/worse when the engine has wamrd up?Nope - It did, but its progressively getting worse now.Does it get better/wprse under load?Nope.what color is the smoke coming out the back when it is smoking'?Blue smoke.once its going the glowplugs arent really doing jack, not to mention this time of year, there not really doing jack, so dont see how itd be worth changing them.Initially what I thought. The car starts fine, always first time - it's just after that! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pashley26 Posted July 17, 2009 Report Share Posted July 17, 2009 Blue smoke = oil being burnt. However in a Diesel engine thats pretty irrelevant. Have you filled up with fuel recently ? It could be shit fuel from somewhere ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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selby1 Posted July 19, 2009 Report Share Posted July 19, 2009 Idle control sensor, usually means lumpy when ticking over and high or low revs, just a thought? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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