ibs_m Posted November 25, 2009 Report Share Posted November 25, 2009 A-hem....Is that supposed to be 'get your facts right' sort of reply because I think the whole thing has been a complete farse. Building the hopes of your customers only to keep changing release dates shows a complete lack of respect. Given how expensive bike parts are people such as those on here know how much time and effort goes into researching a part before parting with your hard earned cash. As a result I know many people who on the good advice of the ashton website held back their purchase of an inspired this summer and waited in good faith to buy an effect instead. Given the initial prompts of a release date many thought they would still have summer and autumn to ride. Infact they were wrong and wasted their summer and great autumn, just because of people hyping up a product by giving false release dates. If it was the case of difficulties being encountered by the company, then fair play but at least tell your customers what's going on. That way they can sort another frame and get on with riding or just wait for the Ashton to land in the shops, happy in the knowledge they haven't been led on.As far as I'm concerned I could not care less about pics of riders sitting on their new setups, just because they have theirs doesn't make people happy. If you want to hype your product then say coming soon or TBC.It's not out until I can order one and have on my doorstep later that week. Until then I could not give a damn! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Gibbs Posted November 25, 2009 Report Share Posted November 25, 2009 I do agree to a certain degree. People have been kept waiting for the effect and justice and it was a no show. But prehaps there were good reasons for the delay. I am still going to hold on for the ashton as it looks sick! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordMersey Posted November 25, 2009 Report Share Posted November 25, 2009 I do agree to a certain degree. People have been kept waiting for the effect and justice and it was a no show. But prehaps there were good reasons for the delay. I am still going to hold on for the ashton as it looks sick!Im going to defend Martyn and say it wasnt his falt. The bmx lanch was so sucsessful they kept it going....and going.......and going. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ross McArthur Posted November 26, 2009 Author Report Share Posted November 26, 2009 (edited) Is that supposed to be 'get your facts right' sort of reply because I think the whole thing has been a complete farse. Building the hopes of your customers only to keep changing release dates shows a complete lack of respect. Given how expensive bike parts are people such as those on here know how much time and effort goes into researching a part before parting with your hard earned cash. As a result I know many people who on the good advice of the ashton website held back their purchase of an inspired this summer and waited in good faith to buy an effect instead. Given the initial prompts of a release date many thought they would still have summer and autumn to ride. Infact they were wrong and wasted their summer and great autumn, just because of people hyping up a product by giving false release dates. If it was the case of difficulties being encountered by the company, then fair play but at least tell your customers what's going on. That way they can sort another frame and get on with riding or just wait for the Ashton to land in the shops, happy in the knowledge they haven't been led on.As far as I'm concerned I could not care less about pics of riders sitting on their new setups, just because they have theirs doesn't make people happy. If you want to hype your product then say coming soon or TBC.It's not out until I can order one and have on my doorstep later that week. Until then I could not give a damn!Ooooft man, calm down the rage towards me!I only posted the picture to let folk know how much closer they are to getting what they have been waiting on.It wasnt at all a, 'get your facts right' sort of reply because im not a big enough dick head to do something like that.Ahh, so we have to wait even longer for the frame sets as only the full build production bikes are coming out just now? Edited November 26, 2009 by Ross McArthur Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordMersey Posted November 26, 2009 Report Share Posted November 26, 2009 Ooooft man, calm down the rage towards me!I only posted the picture to let folk know how much closer they are to getting what they have been waiting on.It wasnt at all a, because im not a big enough dick head to do something like that.Ahh, so we have to wait even longer for the frame sets as only the full build production bikes are coming out just now? Where does it say that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ross McArthur Posted November 26, 2009 Author Report Share Posted November 26, 2009 Where does it say that?I may be wrong of course. I was reading between the lines and making a guess. Thats why I posed the question (for someone who was more in touch with whats actually happening) so they could possibly answer.In other words, I was hoping to be corrected. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordMersey Posted November 26, 2009 Report Share Posted November 26, 2009 (edited) I may be wrong of course. I was reading between the lines and making a guess. Thats why I posed the question (for someone who was more in touch with whats actually happening) so they could possibly answer.In other words, I was hoping to be corrected. ah ok. Hope they are out by Xmas Edited November 26, 2009 by LordMersey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie Histon Posted November 26, 2009 Report Share Posted November 26, 2009 For some reason i have this idea in my head that the last ashton model was real weak, but now i think about it i can't actually remember anybody saying theirs snapped??????? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manuel Posted November 26, 2009 Report Share Posted November 26, 2009 Im pretty sure both are going to be available straight away - framesets and completes...And to the disgruntled - MA has done his best, and so has DB - lots of things have contributed to the release going back and back. No one has tried to mislead/hype up something about these bikes being available earlier than was actually possible. Whenever anyone has asked me I have always answered with the most current news!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigjames Posted November 26, 2009 Report Share Posted November 26, 2009 Rowan or anyone, what is the geo of the Justice supposed to be? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manuel Posted November 26, 2009 Report Share Posted November 26, 2009 Rowan or anyone, what is the geo of the Justice supposed to be? EFFECT: CS length: 385mm BB height: +25mm Wheelbase: 1023.5mm Head angle: 72Ëš Justice Resolve: CS length: 380mm BB height: +20mm Wheelbase: 1080mm Head angle: 71Ëšthats what I have - Im not sure if the HA is actually 71 - didnt feel like that at all - I think its what Alis proto was in reality Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ross McArthur Posted November 26, 2009 Author Report Share Posted November 26, 2009 For some reason i have this idea in my head that the last ashton model was real weak, but now i think about it i can't actually remember anybody saying theirs snapped???????I can remember seeing one that had snapped on here. A black one. They were seriously tough frames! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aener Posted November 26, 2009 Report Share Posted November 26, 2009 (edited) EFFECT: CS length: 385mm BB height: +25mm Wheelbase: 1023.5mm Head angle: 72ËšCripes... Pretty much an ET re-release then, no?Edit: That was meant positively... Edited November 26, 2009 by aener Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ibs_m Posted November 26, 2009 Report Share Posted November 26, 2009 Ooooft man, calm down the rage towards me!I only posted the picture to let folk know how much closer they are to getting what they have been waiting on.It wasnt at all a, because im not a big enough dick head to do something like that.Ahh, so we have to wait even longer for the frame sets as only the full build production bikes are coming out just now? sorry if that's come across as rage to you, it's more annoyance that companies that should know better, clearly don't give a damn about their customers. No excuse, if MA has time to put updates on Ashton bikes and facebook every week about how much they are enjoying riding their new bikes then it's not much to ask for him to say 'bikes are not set to land for abit but keep you posted on the progress'It would be nice for us to hear what the process is that bike manufacturers have to go through before a product gets released and if he doesn't want the target Market of people to be put off then just do a post on TF for the trials geeks who care about that stuff.Anyway no offence intended mate, just my opinion that people could be onside rather than out the loop and annoyed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigjames Posted November 26, 2009 Report Share Posted November 26, 2009 At least you can be safe in the knowledge that the frames have had some thorough real life testing, which is more than can be said for a few big trials brands out there....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ogre Posted November 27, 2009 Report Share Posted November 27, 2009 Justice Resolve: CS length: 380mm BB height: +20mm Wheelbase: 1080mm Head angle: 71ËšGeometry (When measured with Echo Urban fork, available separately)Wheelbase: 1085mmChainstay Length: 380mmBB Rise: 20mmHead Angle: 72 degreesCentre of BB shell to top centre of head tube: 680mm (26.75") so it's essentially a simtra... with a slacker/tighter head angle (can some one explain wheather a higher degree is steeper or looser, and what efect that'd have please) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Rainbird Posted November 27, 2009 Report Share Posted November 27, 2009 with a slacker/tighter head angle (can some one explain wheather a higher degree is steeper or looser, and what efect that'd have please)Higher angle (71 > 71 etc) leads to tighter steering and the weight will be a little more over the front Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Vandart Posted November 27, 2009 Report Share Posted November 27, 2009 Woh, I wasn't saying anything about this product, I was just wondering if it was for really coming out now.Couldn't give a monkies really as I aint getting one, just wondering as it really has taken a long time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simpson Posted November 27, 2009 Report Share Posted November 27, 2009 (edited) They would have sold 1 more if they would have released then when they said the were going to.To add, Rowans rode the sex. Edited November 27, 2009 by Simpson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Gibbs Posted November 30, 2009 Report Share Posted November 30, 2009 Does anyone know if the effect will have 4 bolt magura mounts or V-brake mounts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manuel Posted November 30, 2009 Report Share Posted November 30, 2009 effect is vee mounts + disc mount. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Gibbs Posted November 30, 2009 Report Share Posted November 30, 2009 Ill need an evo mount then! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Rainbird Posted November 30, 2009 Report Share Posted November 30, 2009 Ill need an evo mount then!You'll need a real brake then Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Gibbs Posted November 30, 2009 Report Share Posted November 30, 2009 yeah thats what i said ill need an evo mount! ;P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigjames Posted November 30, 2009 Report Share Posted November 30, 2009 (edited) yeah thats what i said ill need an evo mount! ;PYou'll need a real brake then The effect is one of the most responsive 24's i've ridden, its just plain fun! Edited November 30, 2009 by craigjames Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.