Mike W Posted June 15, 2009 Report Share Posted June 15, 2009 Well yes, but if you're only concerned with wheelbase and not reach, why not just bend your fork or get ones with massive rake? Most people looking for a long frame don't want their front wheel to stick out 10ft in front of their bars, they want more space for their body. Unless for the last 9 years I've been missing the whole point of having long and short frames.Long wheelbase has its advantages, and dont be so ridiculous. its common sense what i said. i didnt say people DONT want room for their bodies, i said a long frame with long reach, is longer and has more space than a short frame with long reach.common sense what hes looking for Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat Smith!! Posted June 15, 2009 Author Report Share Posted June 15, 2009 Long A3? Some places still have those. I love mine, but I'll part with it if you'll pay extra for shipping.Were can you get them? and how much do you want for yours? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ginger allen echo Posted June 15, 2009 Report Share Posted June 15, 2009 Have you ever thoiught about getting a second hand Team frame? They are 1030 measured with echo lites..? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otacon Posted June 15, 2009 Report Share Posted June 15, 2009 Gotta' agree with Mat, my 05 python long with echo team 05' magura forks, measured in at 1070 axle to axle.Dengs took a turn for the worst with these short frames. Leave that to koxx and monty, same with this lightweight malarky, leave it to them, street bashers love deng, always have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat Smith!! Posted June 15, 2009 Author Report Share Posted June 15, 2009 Have you ever thoiught about getting a second hand Team frame? They are 1030 measured with echo lites..?I can't find anything :\ been looking for ages, I'd have any oldish deng frame because they all have nice geo to be honest.Gotta' agree with Mat, my 05 python long with echo team 05' magura forks, measured in at 1070 axle to axle.Dengs took a turn for the worst with these short frames. Leave that to koxx and monty, same with this lightweight malarky, leave it to them, street bashers love deng, always have. . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Echo-Scott Posted June 15, 2009 Report Share Posted June 15, 2009 Dengs took a turn for the worst with these short frames. Leave that to koxx and monty, same with this lightweight malarky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat Smith!! Posted June 15, 2009 Author Report Share Posted June 15, 2009 Weirdly tempting...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Echo-Scott Posted June 15, 2009 Report Share Posted June 15, 2009 They do ride nice.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat Smith!! Posted June 15, 2009 Author Report Share Posted June 15, 2009 They do ride nice....I'd like it to acctually turn up though . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Echo-Scott Posted June 15, 2009 Report Share Posted June 15, 2009 I'd like it to acctually turn up though .Try and get a LBS to order it for you. That way if it never turns up its not your problem. Besides not getting the frame. Alot of bike shops wont ask much of a deposit so if they fail to get the frame, Ask for your deposit back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otacon Posted June 15, 2009 Report Share Posted June 15, 2009 I'd like it to acctually turn up though .Hell of a drive, but go and collect ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat Smith!! Posted June 15, 2009 Author Report Share Posted June 15, 2009 Could get someone to collect and then send it me I suppose, my LBS are pretty tight so I doubt they'd do anything to help anyone else LOL.I don't have 200+ quid atm either, but we'll see.Could still do with some new stuff making else I'm just gonna buy a welder and some scafolding and go crazy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam-Griffin Posted June 15, 2009 Report Share Posted June 15, 2009 Could get someone to collect and then send it me I suppose, my LBS are pretty tight so I doubt they'd do anything to help anyone else LOL.I don't have 200+ quid atm either, but we'll see.Could still do with some new stuff making else I'm just gonna buy a welder and some scafolding and go crazy.Was just about to Pm you some info you may find interesting but would much prefer to see that instead Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat Smith!! Posted June 15, 2009 Author Report Share Posted June 15, 2009 Was just about to Pm you some info you may find interesting but would much prefer to see that instead HAHA, get pm'ing . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam-Griffin Posted June 15, 2009 Report Share Posted June 15, 2009 I hast Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaRtZ Posted June 15, 2009 Report Share Posted June 15, 2009 Can you not bodge a mod/stock frame? They've gotta be longer surely Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sponge Posted June 15, 2009 Report Share Posted June 15, 2009 I have owned every incarnation of the Python up until the 2006 version, including the 2004 Prototype that Craig rode in most of his Zoo! Vids without a bashguard (the very first mod frame designed this way!)I remember clearly that each of them measured in at around 1060mm... except for my 2005 Yao Zhi version which was actually 1030-1035 (despite it being labelled as 1005 on paper)...Therefore, you can not trust the measurements on websites entirely, especially for mods, because there's so much room for discretion. Chainstay length is adjustable depending on what size sprocket you want to run, as well as what chain, and how much it stretches over time. Furthermore, forks can vary slightly, causing changes in wheelbase... therefore what Inur (Greetings ) said about front cockpit reach is a better measure of frame 'lengthiness' than WB... Heck, you could get an Onza T-Lite and whack some fairly largely offseted forks and have it at 1060mm, yet it won't mean crap in reality if we're concerned about advantages of longer frames.On paper, all Long Pythons from 2004 up to 2006 were 1045mm wb, with 375mm chainstays... however, in reality, people would end up with 1060mm... hardly surprising.Similarly, my GU ST (dual disc) was 1035mm, nearing 1040mm with Echo Team CNC forks... and these frames are meant to be what... 1005 or 1010mm on paper? Seriously, don't trust WB measurements. But instead, go and look for front reach measurements. If the measurement isn't available on the sites, then go email or phone whoever owns that shop and they'll go measure it and email you later.I bet you the 1020mm Lynx ends up as 1040mm or so in reality. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat Smith!! Posted June 15, 2009 Author Report Share Posted June 15, 2009 (edited) I have owned every incarnation of the Python up until the 2006 version, including the 2004 Prototype that Craig rode in most of his Zoo! Vids without a bashguard (the very first mod frame designed this way!)I remember clearly that each of them measured in at around 1060mm... except for my 2005 Yao Zhi version which was actually 1030-1035 (despite it being labelled as 1005 on paper)...Therefore, you can not trust the measurements on websites entirely, especially for mods, because there's so much room for discretion. Chainstay length is adjustable depending on what size sprocket you want to run, as well as what chain, and how much it stretches over time. Furthermore, forks can vary slightly, causing changes in wheelbase... therefore what Inur (Greetings ) said about front cockpit reach is a better measure of frame 'lengthiness' than WB... Heck, you could get an Onza T-Lite and whack some fairly largely offseted forks and have it at 1060mm, yet it won't mean crap in reality if we're concerned about advantages of longer frames.On paper, all Long Pythons from 2004 up to 2006 were 1045mm wb, with 375mm chainstays... however, in reality, people would end up with 1060mm... hardly surprising.Similarly, my GU ST (dual disc) was 1035mm, nearing 1040mm with Echo Team CNC forks... and these frames are meant to be what... 1005 or 1010mm on paper? Seriously, don't trust WB measurements. But instead, go and look for front reach measurements. If the measurement isn't available on the sites, then go email or phone whoever owns that shop and they'll go measure it and email you later.I bet you the 1020mm Lynx ends up as 1040mm or so in reality. Well, like I said, can you find any frames with a long reach? like the 04-07 long Python?Edit: Or this was aimed at companys to start making them again for the majority of people who want them, just because most people want short frames, means the people who dont have to quit? or ride stock, which I dont want to do. Edited June 15, 2009 by Mat Smith!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J Trials 31 Posted June 16, 2009 Report Share Posted June 16, 2009 Were can you get them? and how much do you want for yours?PM, I'll have to figure how much I can sell it to you for. Most places here in the U.S. still have them instock. Are they sold out in the Uk? I thought they were still producing them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sponge Posted June 16, 2009 Report Share Posted June 16, 2009 Well, like I said, can you find any frames with a long reach? like the 04-07 long Python?Edit: Or this was aimed at companys to start making them again for the majority of people who want them, just because most people want short frames, means the people who dont have to quit? or ride stock, which I dont want to do.Just import from the US.... heck, that's what I have to do for almost all of my Flatland parts. Despite the unfavourable exchange rate, if you email the shop owner, he may be able to come to a compromise and find the lowest shipping cost to send out to you whilst maintaining a speedy delivery service.. This is what the US Flatland store does for any international buyers.Some places still have the long 07 Pythons in the US even. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashley-Wood Posted June 16, 2009 Report Share Posted June 16, 2009 Wheelbase: Long 1030mmChainstay Length: 350mmBB Rise: 55mmHead Angle: 72 degreesCentre of BB shell to top centre of head tube: Short 605mm (23.75"), Long 640mm (25.25")Mmmm. ride nice on street aswell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otacon Posted June 16, 2009 Report Share Posted June 16, 2009 If anyone makes a mod frame with this geo, ill happily ride mod again:Wheelbase - 1045mmChainstay - 375BB rise - +55Headangle 72and whatever the reach was on the 05 python long. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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