Pad Questions

[Duncy H]

Please don't think this is another topic about "what pads are the best?". I have had enough with the phat pad material I think as they just don't hold for me when you need them the most, I've tryed all sorts of things but I just cant get them to work for me.

My first point is does anyone else think the same about them, I know ali c does and maybe a few others but the majority say they are amazing.

Secondly, I'm not sure what to replace them with, I think I am going to get some try-all crocos but didn't know wether to get the browns or either yellow or red with their different properties.

Thirdly, as I will be keeping the phat pad backings which I think are very impressive I need some help with swapping the material. If i get the crocos ill have to seperate them, how exactly do I do this, and will they just clip in like the phat pad material or do I need to glue them and if so what glue do you reccomend?

And finally, how can you tell that your pads in your disc are burnt toast? (worn out lol)

Any help is much appreciated.

[Mat Smith!!]

Please don't think this is another topic about "what pads are the best?". I have had enough with the phat pad material I think as they just don't hold for me when you need them the most, I've tryed all sorts of things but I just cant get them to work for me.

My first point is does anyone else think the same about them, I know ali c does and maybe a few others but the majority say they are amazing.

Secondly, I'm not sure what to replace them with, I think I am going to get some try-all crocos but didn't know wether to get the browns or either yellow or red with their different properties.

Thirdly, as I will be keeping the phat pad backings which I think are very impressive I need some help with swapping the material. If i get the crocos ill have to seperate them, how exactly do I do this, and will they just clip in like the phat pad material or do I need to glue them and if so what glue do you reccomend?

And finally, how can you tell that your pads in your disc are burnt toast? (worn out lol)

Any help is much appreciated.

I ran them and thought they were pretty good, I've had better though.

Get yellows, there not as hard as browns

Put them in the oven at full temp and keep checking them every minute, they will be VERY hot but will seperate easy after 2-3 minutes, use any super glue, they may need trimming also.

It will make a horrible grinding noise and wont work, you could also just take your wheel out and have alot at how much material there is left on them.

[JT!]

My first point is does anyone else think the same about them, I know ali c does and maybe a few others but the majority say they are amazing.

Brake pads are the most controversial part of a trials bike when it comes down to performance. It's why we have dozens and dozens of different pads available and 3 different braking systems. Some people are going to say phat pads are amazing, some aren't.

[Duncy H]

Brake pads are the most controversial part of a trials bike when it comes down to performance. It's why we have dozens and dozens of different pads available and 3 different braking systems. Some people are going to say phat pads are amazing, some aren't.

That is a good point although if you look at the video of me at stanage edge in the video section you can really see me struggle with them, also could there be any way that the same type of material can vary in performance?

Edit: I didn't explain myself well then, say if you had two sets of material but the one bike setup and used them in exactly the same way could they differ?

Edited May 25, 2009 by Duncy H

[MikeCottTrials]

Personally i run rock pad Greens on a smooth with tar and its the greatest brake anyone could ever want

I think they've been discontinued though

[pablotrial]

Personally i run rock pad Greens on a smooth with tar and its the greatest brake anyone could ever want

i think EXACTLY THE SAME

the are completely awsome

rock pads green on smooth and a bit of tar

[PaRtZ]

Edit: I didn't explain myself well then, say if you had two sets of material but the one bike setup and used them in exactly the same way could they differ?

Well scientifically speaking, no thats impossible. If two systems are exactly identical, then...well they're identical. The however is, you can have two setups:

as and example:

05 magura

water bleed

pistons aligned perfectly

try-all croco's

harsh grind

standard lever

Trialtech rim

One could have a contaminated rim, one could have a contaminated pad, one could have a small leak on the hoses, one person's finger could be stronger than the next... it goes on and on. I guess the reality in what your asking is two people can have seemingly the same brake setup, but one can work and the other cant

EDIT: Just re-read your question again. I'd say if the setup didn't change and you had two brand new sets of pads, put one on, then change it, it wouldn't make a difference

On my mod I went through so many different pads before deciding to go disc. Now on stock, back to maguras, and i've found coustsinks actually working this time, instead of not really holding on my mod. You just have to keep trying, change rims next time to something different and see if that holds better, source a different grinding disc and see if the composition of the disc is different...

Edited May 25, 2009 by PaRtZ

[Chris - Burman]

i run onza citurus, on a painted rim, which is known as the worst rim condition to run a hs33 on, yes it works better with tar, but even when i dont use it, its amazing it holds right on the edge, .

the point that i am trying to prove, is that every one spends all this money on knew cylinders, blades, pads etc, cause they think that performance is going to be enhanced, its not.

i went from disk to maggie, most people would spend about 100 pounds on getting the perfect rim brake set up,

I PICKED UP A RACELINE FOR A 5 QUID, PICKED UP SO ONZA CITRUS FOR 5QUID and that was it not grind,

10 pounds and 100 theres a big diffrence.

[Muel]

the point that i am trying to prove, is that every one spends all this money on knew cylinders, blades, pads etc, cause they think that performance is going to be enhanced, its not.

Yes it is. Boosters and stiffer clamps and backings make it hold better, metal TPAs make the brake work for longer than 10 mins, lever blades make it more comfertable and more powerful because they're usually longer, and Monty splitters make the pads move more evenly and allow you to run a better hose line.

[Chris - Burman]

Yes it is. Boosters and stiffer clamps and backings make it hold better, metal TPAs make the brake work for longer than 10 mins, lever blades make it more comfertable and more powerful because they're usually longer, and Monty splitters make the pads move more evenly and allow you to run a better hose line.

the thing is it doesnt thats what they make you think boosters give it better hold, but it bites slower

[Duncy H]

Well I recently fitted my bike with a booster and the difference was great and helps your frame survive longer, although this still didn't work for me with these pads. I also have rather a pimped up brake and all the little bits make a difference.

[Chris - Burman]

Well I recently fitted my bike with a booster and the difference was great and helps your frame survive longer, although this still didn't work for me with these pads. I also have rather a pimped up brake and all the little bits make a difference.

there crap they make you brake worse and look sick

[Muel]

Haha, you're kidding right?

I've had several bikes with different maggies over the years, and I've found that a booster normally makes it hold better. It may make it bite less if you use one on a very stiff frame to start with, but on most it makes a big difference.

I ran a Zona Zip, Echo Lite 06, Echo Lite 07 and a Kot MS2 all with and without boosters, with different maggy set-ups and pad/grind combos. The brake on my Kot is by far the best I've had so far, and I've done pretty much everything to it I can, I built it from all brand new bits and it was well worth it if you ask me.

[Connor Powell]

Haha, you're kidding right?

I've had several bikes with different maggies over the years, and I've found that a booster normally makes it hold better. It may make it bite less if you use one on a very stiff frame to start with, but on most it makes a big difference.

I ran a Zona Zip, Echo Lite 06, Echo Lite 07 and a Kot MS2 all with and without boosters, with different maggy set-ups and pad/grind combos. The brake on my Kot is by far the best I've had so far, and I've done pretty much everything to it I can, I built it from all brand new bits and it was well worth it if you ask me.

Word.

I used a Heatsink 4-bolt booster which is probably the stiffest booster out there, I ran it on my 2006 python, It reduced all noise and bite but my word the hold was unbeatable.

Edited May 26, 2009 by Connor Powell

[Duncy H]

Right I have really had enough with them now. I've just come back in form trying all sorts of setups, I rebled the brake, tryed with and without the booster, cleaned the rim and pads, fresh medium grind and they just won't hold. From taking the booster off there was a massive difference, loads more noise but the hold was so shocking, just not locking upfrom riding along.

I think i'm going to order myself the croco pads in yellow from tarty, can anyone back me up or advise me on any others which will give maximum performance in the dry on a medium grind? Also I just experimented with getting some old pads out of their backings using the oven. Will it not change the properties of the pads with this extreme heat?

[andyb]

I have croco browns on my coust and they are amazing and lasting a lot better than the yellows did, cant tell any performance difference apart from the browns are LOUD!

[psycholist]

Presumably you're talking about aluminium backings, these should be fine at domestic oven temperatures. As for the pad material, presumably you're removing it because it's worn out, so you won't use it again anyway...

Another method I've seen suggested is to boil the pads in a saucepan of water. Try this if you're worried about the temperature of the oven. That's what I'll try first (After just yanking at the pad material in case removing it is that easy). I've about a mm to go before the backing hits the rim, so tonight's session should finish it off...

[Duncy H]

Ooooh I do like a loud brake but like said before they are a bit harder so wont they not hold as well? I'm not too bothered about ware rate so long as its not stupid.

Edit for new post: I'd be taking the croco pads out of their plastic backings if i got them so I could put the in my phat pad backings.

Edited May 26, 2009 by Duncy H

[Simpson]

Give us a full list of your brake set up.

inspired, no booster, dead grind on a DMR rim is mint as feck with phat pads.

[Duncy H]

Right I run, echo team frame with built in booster, 08 magura, zoo lever, standard hose, try all rim, tensile mounts, trialteech 2 bolt booster, phatpads ,metal tpa oh and a pimp purple bleed bolt

I ordered myself some of the try all croco yellow pads which should hopefully be with me tomorrow so I will update the situation then.

[Duncy H]

Today I got the croco pads and fitted them into my phatpad backings, first impressions are that they are really good and are a lot louder but seen as my front hub has just about packed in as being a disc hub i am going to put a front echo tr brake with the phatpads on in power pad backings. For the front do you recomend I grind my rim or keep it smooth?