Sam Nichols Posted May 22, 2009 Report Share Posted May 22, 2009 So what you're saying is you gloss over all the parts of the Bible, of Christianity that you don't agree with and instead focus on the parts of the Bible that suit you.. ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Foamoi Refresher Posted May 22, 2009 Report Share Posted May 22, 2009 oh jesus, this is my fortestart by watching this zeitgeistthen start reading lots more (but not f**king newspapers), forget TV, the internet, government, EVERY single religion, everything you think you know is just a brainwash to keep you doing all the things you do in your life, work, pay taxes, i really cant be arsed to go through a full explanation cus im at work and just dont have the time. i even have to be part of this f**king slavery.start open your eyes, start with the illuminatus trilogy (BOOK). then look at wars, money systems, nazi's, and then look at all of the 'incidents' and tell me wether you think its all a conspiracy or if any any of the tiniest ways that there might just be some truth.and then come back with your answers then lets have a debate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JD™ Posted May 22, 2009 Report Share Posted May 22, 2009 So what you're saying is you gloss over all the parts of the Bible, of Christianity that you don't agree with and instead focus on the parts of the Bible that suit you.. ?Don't be a cock Sam. We all choose to gloss over parts of what we hear in everyday life and focus on what is either more interesting of more believable to us. There are priests who do the same with the Bible. The Bible is not the be all and end all of Christianity- the point is to follow it and believe in it to your own limits. I'm not religious in anyway, just pointing out you're being a bit harsh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papa Manual Posted May 22, 2009 Report Share Posted May 22, 2009 We all choose to gloss over parts of what we hear in everyday life and focus on what is either more interestingYeah, and those things are all real.Fair enough to anyone who wants to sign up to all of that, I believe in everyone having their own choice in what they do so long as they don't harm anyone else. I'd say that I live my life in line with a fairly well adhered to set of 'Christian values' (allowing the sodomy), but I can't be doing with the all-knowing, all-seeing invisible man in the sky who'll strike me down should I commit wrong. It's all just a man made method of control through fear.(and LOLLERZLMFAOROFLkkthx etc to Rainbird for the below . trust you to lighten it up!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Rich Pearson Posted May 22, 2009 Report Share Posted May 22, 2009 Much the same as not all Muslims feel the need to detonate themselves I would imagine...A good analogy for that I heard once: Islamic Fundamentalist is to Islamic, as the Ku Klux Klan is to Christianity.Forgive me if I'm way off the mark here.. But by not following all that the Bible teaches you, surely that means you're not a Christian? Any religious person will tell you that the text they follow is a guideline, be it the Bible, the Qur'an, anything.I dont like horror stories, like scream or the bible, so no People like you really f**k me off. Seriously, I'm not religious at all, but I'm not so narrow minded to believe that all religions are wrong, and certainly the idea of belittling the faith of millions upon millions of people with snide little jokes comparing the faiths these people live their lives by to a teenaged slasher movie is pretty repulsive to me.I've got no problem with people discussing faith and open minded arguing, but for people to sit there and poke fun like a lot of people in this thread seem to have been doing is pretty childish. Also, just bare in mind what happens if you/we are wrong and they/Christians are right? What would you say to St. Peter then?Interesting reading thoughRich Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam Nichols Posted May 22, 2009 Report Share Posted May 22, 2009 Any religious person will tell you that the text they follow is a guideline, be it the Bible, the Qur'an, anything.How do you know which part to follow to the letter though? I mean, the whole aim for a Christian is to live as a good person and secure your place in Heaven, right?So how can you be sure that you aren't missing the one vital ingredient that 'God' was looking for? By not following the Bible to the letter surely you're running the risk of wasting your entire life and then spending the rest of your afterlife burning in the eternal flames of hell? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadManMike Posted May 22, 2009 Report Share Posted May 22, 2009 oh jesus, this is my forteIntentional pun?If not, I still LOL'ed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
on that? u must be joking Posted May 22, 2009 Report Share Posted May 22, 2009 To add absolutely nothing useful to the argument I point you in the direction of Those Fundies Say the Darndest Things where records of fundamental christian chatrooms are kept. Bear in mind that most Christians aren't like this.Andy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Nick Riviera Posted May 22, 2009 Report Share Posted May 22, 2009 ''He died for our sins... not mine.'' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Rainbird Posted May 22, 2009 Report Share Posted May 22, 2009 Youtube Video -> Original Video Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Quinn Posted May 22, 2009 Report Share Posted May 22, 2009 You seem like an intelligent enough guyWho, dave? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F-Stop Junkie Posted May 22, 2009 Report Share Posted May 22, 2009 I see Rowlands circling... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadManMike Posted May 22, 2009 Report Share Posted May 22, 2009 I see Rowlands circling... False alarm... Lucky, his posts always take centuries to read Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Foamoi Refresher Posted May 22, 2009 Report Share Posted May 22, 2009 False alarm... Lucky, his posts always take centuries to read i too was wondering why he has'nt posted yet . . . . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JT! Posted May 22, 2009 Report Share Posted May 22, 2009 Yes, but it doesn't promote it?The bible promotes slavery, and beating your slaves, and stoning people who work on Sundays. It also says being gay is a sin.Pick and choose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadManMike Posted May 22, 2009 Report Share Posted May 22, 2009 Stories guys.I could pick up a copy of Charlie & The Chocolate Factory and make a religion based on that if you like.Call me naive, but I see the bible as a collection of fictional stories written for peoples pleasure back then - somehow it's been twisted into everybody believing it's true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1a2bcio8 Posted May 22, 2009 Report Share Posted May 22, 2009 (edited) I don't really have much to say (or that I haven't said before) other than to reitterate that I think most Christians actually misunderstand their main man, Mr Jesus. I think Jesus was a mystic who had certain realisations about the nature of existence. Unfortunately, not all realisations and especially those of the mystical variety, can be conveyed in words all that well. Mythology is one of the better means of attempting to do so. In other words the bible is, to a certain extent, a form of mythology trying to indicate the types of realisation one can have, that makes ones life better and more in tune with the suchness of existence. People have taken the stories too literally and completely missed the point. Or to place it into a Zen vernacular, they've mistaken the finger that points to the moon for the moon itself. Most Christians are staring at a finger when Jesus wanted to make them see the more rewarding moon. What's interesting is that most religions can be found to share core themes (the moon), once we get past the cultural influences that shape elements of the superficial aspects (the finger). Once we begin to study different religions we can see this. I would indicate to anyone with an interest in this to turn to the perennial philosophy.I reserve the right to be completely wrong though. Edited May 22, 2009 by Ben Rowlands Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Foamoi Refresher Posted May 22, 2009 Report Share Posted May 22, 2009 (edited) yeh but you havent done that (mike), and anyway people wouldnt believe that.this has happen over more than 2000 years, so now, when you have a kid, and it goes to a catholic school, or hears about how 'things dont have so bad' they get into the idea of believing. and we use the fact that they are so naive, because the are kids. start believing this as the truth. do this over many generations, and you get to the point where we are at now. you get smaller sects of religion that go to extreme lengths to preach that there word is the correct one (the louie theroux documentary is a great example)and everything being so repetitivley spoken about, terror, terror, god, 911, god spoke to me, he told me take our great nation to war (bush)use fear, to make people think that they actually want it themselves.again, religion, fear of going to hell. when it does not exist. Edited May 22, 2009 by The Foamoi Refresher Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich J Posted May 22, 2009 Report Share Posted May 22, 2009 I think its quite odd thinking about it that peoples everyday lives is based really around a book. Interesting thought what would happen if there was no religions? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Foamoi Refresher Posted May 22, 2009 Report Share Posted May 22, 2009 then we may all live in peace and harmony, maybe be completley self sufficient???but probably not, as i guess you have to go through one phase, then be able to create the technology to then be self sufficient.so it could still happen, its just HOW?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davetrials Posted May 22, 2009 Author Report Share Posted May 22, 2009 I hate starting usefull topics, i get to out of my depth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronz Posted May 22, 2009 Report Share Posted May 22, 2009 (edited) I wonder if, over a long enough period, the entire human race as a whole gets sensible enough to realise religion is stupid and just abandon it. I wonder if in 5000 years time religion will be a forgotten thing.It's stupid, all these different religions that conflict and contradict, surely the religious folk know some of 'em are going to be wrong. Also, you'd think with all this stuff (the Garden of Eden, Noah's Ark, Jesus' cave and allllll that other shit) they wrote about, we'd have found some of it by now.Actually, on the topic of Noah's Ark—a boat big enough for two of everything? Not even zoos can manage that.This Jesus fella: The only recorded case of someone coming back alive from the dead is written down. Funny how it's never happened in real life since.I could go on but you've all got it covered. Edited May 22, 2009 by Bronz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F-Stop Junkie Posted May 22, 2009 Report Share Posted May 22, 2009 A system of belief can exist in any context. For example, every day you believe that gravity exists, that people will obey traffic lights, and a tomato tastes a certain way. Each of those is an act of faith. Every time I drive through a green light, I believe that no-one will disobey a red light and hit me. It's no big leap to have someone saying "If you live a good life, you will go to heaven." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spider Lad Posted May 22, 2009 Report Share Posted May 22, 2009 A system of belief can exist in any context. For example, every day you believe that gravity exists, that people will obey traffic lights, and a tomato tastes a certain way. Each of those is an act of faith. Every time I drive through a green light, I believe that no-one will disobey a red light and hit me. It's no big leap to have someone saying "If you live a good life, you will go to heaven."You're totally confusing faith and belief. Faith having no grounding in knowing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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