nek0 Posted March 31, 2009 Report Share Posted March 31, 2009 (edited) Echo and quality does not go together Edited March 31, 2009 by nek0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hobnobs Posted March 31, 2009 Report Share Posted March 31, 2009 (edited) 63 quid no chanceif you have that much to spend on a freewheel you're probably anorexic to I paid £80 for ENO years ago, it was f**kin' amazing for the price, i upgraded to a king simply because that was the only option. If they really retail at sub £30 then, as long as they are as/more reliable than an ACS, i can see them being a massive success. There is always a market for cheaper (maybe less long term solutions) freewheels, they may not last forever, but who can possibly complain at that price.Echo and quality does not go togetherI'm pretty surprised this would ever crop up, i'd say out of most trials brands, echo are one of the best. Admitedly, their freehub's have never been the best, but how many threads have you seen complaining about the weakness of an echo product? Compare that to monty/koxx... Edited March 31, 2009 by Hobnobs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JT! Posted March 31, 2009 Report Share Posted March 31, 2009 JT - The Monty design or Try-All freewheels are made in Taiwan.But they need to be shipped to Spain and France before they can be shipped back to China at a much higher price through monty or try-all. Unless somebody sneaks a few off the production line and sells them in their local supermarket.ENO is American. =DWhooops. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Dark Posted March 31, 2009 Report Share Posted March 31, 2009 At that price id buy one, my ACS has been running a year its completely shot but it still works so if for the same price you can buy an echo freewheel why not, all other echo stuff is reliableYou have obviously not heard about the untamed face breaking power of the echo freehubs!beat me to it!In general, echo stuff does seem pretty good quality, considering that it's so mass-produced...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonMack Posted March 31, 2009 Report Share Posted March 31, 2009 How much is the Echo sealed freewheel in China (in GBP)? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaRtZ Posted March 31, 2009 Report Share Posted March 31, 2009 same, how much is this new freewheel going to cost in britain? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark W Posted March 31, 2009 Report Share Posted March 31, 2009 I'm pretty surprised this would ever crop up, i'd say out of most trials brands, echo are one of the best. Admitedly, their freehub's have never been the best, but how many threads have you seen complaining about the weakness of an echo product? Compare that to monty/koxx...Pretty much every frame they made up until about 2004 was shit and generally weaker than a new-born baby? The majority of things they've put bearings in have been toss too. I guess that's the price you pay when you dilute your brands by having 5 of 'em in competition with each other... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greetings Posted April 2, 2009 Report Share Posted April 2, 2009 Pretty much every frame they made up until about 2004 was shit and generally weaker than a new-born baby? The majority of things they've put bearings in have been toss too. I guess that's the price you pay when you dilute your brands by having 5 of 'em in competition with each other...Echo GU ZOO Adamant and Czar don't compete with each other, nor did they when each group had their own hubs, cranks, boosters etc.Also, apart from Echo freehubs and freewheels, their hubs have been very good indeed. Strong 12mm steel axle and 4 bearings per hub can't go wrong. The spindle system works out much better than threads too though I don't understand why the spline isn't just HG. I might be living in bubblewrap but I haven't heard a single complaint about the old Echo hubs, nor have I heard any about SL's but those have been around for too short a time to go wrong.There is a lot of space for improvement with their parts but comparing to other manufacturers like Koxx or Monty which charge ridiculous money for a cheapish and cheerful component, things are looking good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan6061 Posted April 2, 2009 Report Share Posted April 2, 2009 I don't think I'd want to trust an Echo freewheel anyway, especially that cheap! Any pictures of the internals? Or are they the same pawl/spring design like ENOs etc? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otacon Posted April 2, 2009 Report Share Posted April 2, 2009 (edited) I paid £80 for ENO years ago, it was f**kin' amazing for the price, i upgraded to a king simply because that was the only option. If they really retail at sub £30 then, as long as they are as/more reliable than an ACS, i can see them being a massive success. There is always a market for cheaper (maybe less long term solutions) freewheels, they may not last forever, but who can possibly complain at that price.I'm pretty surprised this would ever crop up, i'd say out of most trials brands, echo are one of the best. Admitedly, their freehub's have never been the best, but how many threads have you seen complaining about the weakness of an echo product? Compare that to monty/koxx...More relaible than an ACS ? Whats wrong with ACS ? Back in the day it's all we ever ran, for 2-3 years, I've still got mine now, love it. Edited April 2, 2009 by Otacon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hobnobs Posted April 2, 2009 Report Share Posted April 2, 2009 More relaible than an ACS ? Whats wrong with ACS ? Back in the day it's all we ever ran, for 2-3 years, I've still got mine now, love it.Theres nothing essentially wrong with an ACS, but straight out of the box you have to "modify" it so that it doesnt fall apart everytime you go down a hill. I was simply implying that a freewheel which lasts just as long, but has many more engagements, for a similar price would obviously outsell the ACS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ben_travis Posted April 2, 2009 Report Share Posted April 2, 2009 (edited) whats the point of these bloody individual tool requirements. pain in the arse. Edited April 2, 2009 by ben_travis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otacon Posted April 2, 2009 Report Share Posted April 2, 2009 Theres nothing essentially wrong with an ACS, but straight out of the box you have to "modify" it so that it doesnt fall apart everytime you go down a hill. I was simply implying that a freewheel which lasts just as long, but has many more engagements, for a similar price would obviously outsell the ACS.Ohhh deffinatly i agree, but that slight modification has made mine last 4 years without touching it, just out of curiosity, why would you want more engagements that 36 ? In my opinion thats plenty... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ben_travis Posted April 2, 2009 Report Share Posted April 2, 2009 because when you have had 72 to ride with, its easy to see that 36 is poop. It is easier with more engagements to get the exact foot position you want when your preloading for something, or lining up for something. the less engagements, the more space between engagement. Its hard to explain, but i know what im talking about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otacon Posted April 2, 2009 Report Share Posted April 2, 2009 because when you have had 72 to ride with, its easy to see that 36 is poop. It is easier with more engagements to get the exact foot position you want when your preloading for something, or lining up for something. the less engagements, the more space between engagement. Its hard to explain, but i know what im talking about.I've had king hubs, I've had pro 2's, I've had tensile freewheels etc, and my ridings no better with one of them, than my 36EP ACS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam F Posted April 2, 2009 Report Share Posted April 2, 2009 There's no point really arguing over whats better, its ovbiously down to what you like, i wouldn't trust an ACS where Otacon does, and i would happily try out the new Echo freewheel where Otacon doesn't.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ben_travis Posted April 2, 2009 Report Share Posted April 2, 2009 I've had king hubs, I've had pro 2's, I've had tensile freewheels etc, and my ridings no better with one of them, than my 36EP ACS.each to their own dude.....i think you have been drinking again though... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdamR28 Posted April 2, 2009 Report Share Posted April 2, 2009 whats the point of these bloody individual tool requirements. pain in the arse.What individual tool requirements? It uses a normal FW tool, with extra cutouts to save weight (at my request). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ben_travis Posted April 2, 2009 Report Share Posted April 2, 2009 What individual tool requirements? It uses a normal FW tool, with extra cutouts to save weight (at my request).cheers for burning me adam . it looked like it needed a specific tool. either way, if its not a bb removal tool thats not use (ALA tensile) then it sucks. in my opinion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ali C Posted April 2, 2009 Report Share Posted April 2, 2009 ahh yes, I remember you telling koxx about your weight saving idea, nice to see they listened.And for you mr Travis! To bed with no supper for being a plonker! don't let the door hit you on the way out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cai Posted April 2, 2009 Report Share Posted April 2, 2009 How much weight will this even save good to hear koxx have taken on suggestions from actual riders though! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BenLeacock™ Posted April 2, 2009 Report Share Posted April 2, 2009 (edited) How much weight will this even save Edited April 2, 2009 by BenLeacock™ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdamR28 Posted April 3, 2009 Report Share Posted April 3, 2009 How much weight will this even save About 6-7g, which is 3% of the overall weight of the item. If you did that on all the parts of your 10kg bike, it would be 9.7kg - a significant saving given that it makes no difference at all to the strength or performance! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muel Posted April 3, 2009 Report Share Posted April 3, 2009 More importantly, it makes it look fit as f**k. But yeh, there are bigger savings to be made, but if you want your bike to be as light as possible, then it's worth it?I really lik the fact they're black instead of chrome, they look far better on black cranks. How about a similar finish on a chain Ad? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ben_travis Posted April 3, 2009 Report Share Posted April 3, 2009 don't let the door hit you on the way out.TWICE in one day you have made the door hit me....ali.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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