mr kenny Posted February 26, 2009 Report Share Posted February 26, 2009 righty, i'm looking into a few thinks for a friend that has a bike shop- not relevant who really.and he can't playmusic in his shop( the shop is tiny) for fear of being prosecuted for copyrght infringment.there are third party licences he can purchase but they all seem to say that theres is the only one that covers all bases...can an interrnet streaming station be used ( like last fm?) or by playing that in the back ground naughty still, i mean having the i pod on to loud while sitting at a desk.plase if anyone can shed some light as i don't understand to much about this and it seems shit that he can't listen to music in his own shop.cheerskenny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papa Manual Posted February 26, 2009 Report Share Posted February 26, 2009 I think it’s still illegal to play an internet radio station in a commercial setting. On the bright side, I believe there are some sites out there that provide monthly subscription packages for places like shops etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krisboats Posted February 26, 2009 Report Share Posted February 26, 2009 Copyright infringement requires him to be replicating the original source digitally (i guess analogue too if he copies it to a tape) for distribution. He's only breaking copyright laws if he copies the original cd and hands it out. However, the laws on allowing the media to be played or distributed in a public place is slightly different. A lot of DVD's etc withhold the right for the owner to play them in public places and on coaches... stuff like that. Playing a radio is allowed as its a free to air broadcast, if the internet radio station is freely broadcast as well then its okay for him to play it in his shop.I'm pretty sure that playing his cd's in the shop won't be an illegality, just a violation of the laws set out by the producers of the music. It should say in the sleeve whether playback in public places is allowed. Just out of curiosity. Who does he think is going to be telling him off? In reality, with the way music is used nowadays nobody will check the way the media is setup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quick_spider Posted February 26, 2009 Report Share Posted February 26, 2009 Copyright infringement requires him to be replicating the original source digitally (i guess analogue too if he copies it to a tape) for distribution. He's only breaking copyright laws if he copies the original cd and hands it out. However, the laws on allowing the media to be played or distributed in a public place is slightly different. A lot of DVD's etc withhold the right for the owner to play them in public places and on coaches... stuff like that. Playing a radio is allowed as its a free to air broadcast, if the internet radio station is freely broadcast as well then its okay for him to play it in his shop.I'm pretty sure that playing his cd's in the shop won't be an illegality, just a violation of the laws set out by the producers of the music. It should say in the sleeve whether playback in public places is allowed. Just out of curiosity. Who does he think is going to be telling him off? In reality, with the way music is used nowadays nobody will check the way the media is setup.Pretty sure you need a license:http://www.prsformusic.com/Pages/default.aspxJon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted February 26, 2009 Report Share Posted February 26, 2009 f**k that, it's a bike shop, how are they ever going to find out.Play that shizzle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fixed Pants™ Posted February 26, 2009 Report Share Posted February 26, 2009 (edited) Can't play anything in a commercial place, not even radio, unless you pay for the rights to do so. My shop doesn't have anything because they won't pay for the license... And this is a Halfords (in disguise). Edited February 26, 2009 by Fixed Pants™ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N.Wood Posted February 26, 2009 Report Share Posted February 26, 2009 Evans didn't give a shit, played the radio, peoples iPods, Cd's, anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krisboats Posted February 26, 2009 Report Share Posted February 26, 2009 Pretty sure you need a license:http://www.prsformusic.com/Pages/default.aspxJonTheir terms and conditions state its only for their music and that smaller shops may be exempt. I guess you'd have to check their tariff pdf then. I can't get the thing to open on my computer.The problem i see is that while playing cd's in a store might be against the law, a radio is a completely different form of media. You pay for the device to play it, and the broadcast itself is freely aired. Now the station itself is covered in its own right because it gets paid through the advertising. The customers aren't going to be hearing just the songs, they hear the adverts too. The customer also isn't going to be taking the music home with them in a reproducible format. The fact that this company seems to be charging for radio stations to be broadcast seems fairly suspect as their making a profit from a free service, which in itself is against the law. Fair enough if you were broadcasting a television service to customers then they are effectively using a paid service for free... but the radio isn't a paid service so it changes things again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Scarlet Posted February 26, 2009 Report Share Posted February 26, 2009 Even if its only radio, you still need a performing rights licence, its the only way we can legally do it at the small autoshop I work at. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hendrix Posted February 26, 2009 Report Share Posted February 26, 2009 If it's a small shop, the license won't be a huge amount. Probably about £1500? That means he could even have a live band in if he wanted.Now - if he only played local bands on the radio, whom he had permission from to play the music, he wouldn't need a license, as he has their permission to do so.Although, if he didn't I doubt he would be caught, if he did, the fine is craaazzzyyyy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pashley26 Posted February 26, 2009 Report Share Posted February 26, 2009 We've got a little Ipod Dock behind the desk playing music. Aparently it's been like that for years with no problems.My mums owned a clothes shop for 20 years and has always played CD's through a Player and never had any problems.Just do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark W Posted February 26, 2009 Report Share Posted February 26, 2009 I'll give the person who snitches on Jarrod a fiver... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pashley26 Posted February 26, 2009 Report Share Posted February 26, 2009 (edited) I'll give the person who snitches on Jarrod a fiver...Thats nothing, I won't even begin to tell you about todays events.....Where have you been OBM? You've been a bit quiet recently ? Edited February 26, 2009 by Pashley26 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark W Posted February 26, 2009 Report Share Posted February 26, 2009 Having a f**king excellent time In Real Life, basically... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonMack Posted February 26, 2009 Report Share Posted February 26, 2009 There is no IRL, only AFK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pashley26 Posted February 26, 2009 Report Share Posted February 26, 2009 Having a f**king excellent time In Real Life, basically...Sorry to hear it, sorted now though ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark W Posted February 26, 2009 Report Share Posted February 26, 2009 Nope, still having a f**king excellent time, it's just that I had 6 hours straight of 'excellent time' yesterday, and then another 4-5 today, and I'm tired now hence I'm on my laptop... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krisboats Posted February 27, 2009 Report Share Posted February 27, 2009 What's her name then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hendrix Posted February 27, 2009 Report Share Posted February 27, 2009 What's her name then?See what I did there? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krisboats Posted February 27, 2009 Report Share Posted February 27, 2009 No? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hendrix Posted February 27, 2009 Report Share Posted February 27, 2009 NO FAIR. You're not allowed to edit my posts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krisboats Posted February 27, 2009 Report Share Posted February 27, 2009 I need to make use of the button otherwise its just a waste Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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