BenLeacock™ Posted February 20, 2009 Report Share Posted February 20, 2009 Christ on a bike! Where do I start? Thanks everyone, I can't respond to all, but I will try my best (rolls up sleeves!)I'm understanding the Deng bashy/street/strength angle now over the comp frames.An Echo Control seems a popular choice and I think I've read before that Zoo!'s are strong.But why the 'older' new frames rather than the '09 models? (if this makes sense?) The newer frames are made to be light + suited to comp riding, the old frames have been abused and never failed. New frames haven't had this treatment yet!I'm not really understanding the Onza, Ozonys, Rockman, MBK best of both worlds frames?Again these frames are strong and will cope with the thrashing of both street and comp.Does it relate to the fact that particular models from each brand are aimed at different styles?If so, which would suit my needs? (or is Deng like a Bond villain, intent of ruling the street Trials world!)I'd say he's pretty much done that, but his new approach is aimed at beating koxx/monty on the comps.Regarding 24", of course the Inspired is the mutt's nuts, but any opinions of the steel framed Reset? Not heard much on these, however they do have the advantage like leesons, that if you were to get a crack its easy enough to weld steel!As for the equipment recommendations, thanks, but did I mention I was new to Trials? Right what id start by doing is looking at what frame takes your fancy, have a look in the bike pics and search for the brand, possibly finding some other riders bikes who you might be able to get some reviews in the thread. Then people don't normally say this is important, but when you read bike pics, the first think people look at is the aesthetics, choice a colour combination to your fancy. Most brands do all there parts in a range of colours. Then build bit by bit. Trialtech seem to be the main dog at the minute with a balance of strength and weight, whilst being normally middle of the market price wise. I'd properly say, if you were going to run rear freehub, go for a Hope. Chris king do the same thing, but require more maintenance in the long run, which as a beginner could be a bit of a pain or dust your wallet. As far as Bars/stem/rims/cranks/pedals go I'd say look at trialtech, they seem to do everything at a affordable price. Forks, I would personally go for either Echo or Trialtech/VIZ. Then your brakes, the majority of riders I would say have a rear magura and a front disk. I personally prefer cable, so run a rear vee brake and a front BB7. Some riders prefer to have duel magura, normally means that in wet conditions is more of a pain, but with a nice harsh grind can be fine. Double disk is available on stocks, but is not that comonly used. You can't really go wrong with a rear magura, and a hope/avid front brake. If I research all them I'll be hitting 50 before getting a bike! If buying new, I was sort of going to take Al Fel's approach and pick a frame off Tarty and eitherwham a Try-All set on it or ask their advice. What do you think about this approach please? I was going to add a note at the end didnt see this question, defiantly ask tarty for advice. They have a lot more knowledge of trials than the majority of this forum, and most have probably learnt of tarty haha.I also haven't ruled out the 2nd hand market. I'm not in any rush.Defiantly look about, you can pick up some great bargains, just make sure you ask for pictures, and work out down to damage how much the bikes been battered.I realise i'm still quite naive and have tried searching posts but thought, as this was a forum,I'd just ask. I will consider your helpful replies (strikes 'deep thought' pose ) and welcomeany more opinions please.Thanks.middleageman.ps. Matthew62. I will PM you about oscillators, wires and knobs when time allows. Hope thats of some help! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
middleageman Posted February 20, 2009 Author Report Share Posted February 20, 2009 (edited) Wow! cheers Ben 'The Buddha' Leacock and psycholist. Your helpful advice is most appreciated. Thank You.I would reply further, but 'The Wife' is calling! (matthew62, I will ADSR, via a LP filter, all over your LFO soon as! ) Edited February 20, 2009 by middleageman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Vandart Posted February 21, 2009 Report Share Posted February 21, 2009 (edited) As many people have said get a bike second hand. You can pick up real nice ones on e-bay for next to FA, mainly because people have gone out and done exactly what you are considering doing. Spending a fortune on something you don't know if they are going to like doing/be any good at/have the dedication/patience/time to do/enjoy and then found that they don't like it/aren't any good at/don't have the dedication/don't have the patience/don't have the time to do/don't enjoy it.This is about to time out and I recon They will only get £150 topsBrisaThis is about to time outDMRThis has 2 days leftPlanet XThis frame is a good start as long as it goes for about £80PashleyThis is worth watchingBrisaYou get the idea.You can buy some thing for maybe £200 thrash the f**k out of it and get an idea of what you like and don't like in a bike. In the meantime you can start building up a present for yerself.another advantage of doing it this way is by riding a bit of an old school dog, you will find it all so much easier/nicer when you Finnish building up your bike.Also the guy that said this This + this = is making sense as like you said if you posted about every component, by the time the bike was built, you would be to old to ride it.Or this: ToxsinMatt Edited February 21, 2009 by Matt Vandart Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skoze Posted February 21, 2009 Report Share Posted February 21, 2009 MAM, are you still heading to London? I'm sure you'll be more than welcome to try loads of different bikes, get a feel for what you'd like!Send me a PM if you like, i was in a similar situation a little while ago - also i'd quite like to hook up with you on the ride, if you're going. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
middleageman Posted February 22, 2009 Author Report Share Posted February 22, 2009 Thanks Ben and Matt and all, I guess I've had a blinkered veiwpoint to buying new so far. I've checked out your ebay links and also just ventured into the 'For Sale' section of TF and wow, what an eye opener. For the stupid money I was maybe considering,that would buy me a whole lot of 2nd hand niceness. Or two! As i'm not in any rush and still gathering the pennies, I'll keep one eye on the2nd hand market.MTM - London's 50/50 at the moment as my sister-in-law is selfishly getting married the week afterand I've a church rehearsal to go to on the Saturday! Maybe next time, at least I should have a bike by then! Cheers, middleageman. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fish-Finger-er Posted February 22, 2009 Report Share Posted February 22, 2009 church rehearsal, its not you thats getting married, what do you need to rehearse, drinking too much, then falling over into the buffet at the reception??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stanners Posted February 22, 2009 Report Share Posted February 22, 2009 http://www.allterraincycles.co.uk/product/0310.htmlGet your self a dog - low bb mind but still i think they ride great - not too heavy and has that trialsy dirt jumpy vibe you wanted..you will NOT break these....best of luck anywayscheers Rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
middleageman Posted February 22, 2009 Author Report Share Posted February 22, 2009 church rehearsal, its not you thats getting married, what do you need to rehearse, drinking too much, then falling over into the buffet at the reception???Heh heh, I didn't know you were at my wedding, was it you who called the Police? Unfortunately, my Wife's the 'Matron of Honour' and my Son's playing a piano piece, so apparently I have to be there. Stanners - wow, I've never even heard of this frame, It's nice to know I've got other options! Any opinions people? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Dark Posted February 22, 2009 Report Share Posted February 22, 2009 here. Stanners - wow, I've never even heard of this frame, It's nice to know I've got other options! Any opinions people?definitely wouldn't go for the rockhound...the best thing you could go for is either a control or a t-rex...both very strong, dependable frames.And i'd 100% go second hand, i built my bike up from scratch from 2nd hand bits, and it ended up costing me £200...a build that would have set me back around £800 new.So, in conclusion....low to mid bb ( 0-25 ) short (1065-1080) frame with some decent components, pm me for any other advice etc..or just ask on here...best of luck in finding a steed that ticks all these boxes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Vandart Posted February 22, 2009 Report Share Posted February 22, 2009 church rehearsal, its not you thats getting married, what do you need to rehearse, drinking too much, then falling over into the buffet at the reception??? Stanners - wow, I've never even heard of this frame, It's nice to know I've got other options! Any opinions people?Ych y Fi Matt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Revolver Posted February 22, 2009 Report Share Posted February 22, 2009 I've got a H-dog, a rockhound.I did at one point have it on rigid forks on the front, and...No, don't do it. The bb is at like -30 lol.If you want a bike like that, buy a base ta26, they're going on tartybikes for £76, which looks to me like an absolute steal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
middleageman Posted February 22, 2009 Author Report Share Posted February 22, 2009 erm.... yeah, I may have made a misleading statement earlier in this topic about not caring about a style of bike/geo etc. for Trials (I'm not as naive as I sound. :$ )I do realise that to learn Trials, I really need a Trials specific bike. I was also thinking of a 2nd bike to do morestreety/dirt/trails riding around my local promenade, dunes, woods and quarry's. I suppose this has led me to either a choice of mod or stock and a dirt (play) bike,or, a decent 24" to sort of cover both. Would an Inspired/Leeson/Reset satisfy both needs or am I barking up the wrong tree?I realise that there is more to geo and the style of Trials I'd want to practise, but as i've not had a go yet i'm not being to seriousabout it and keeping an open mind.Any thoughts please?Lol, Ych y Fi ? You may as well type in Klingon as I was born in Somerset. But my Welsh wife informs me that you probably don't like the Rockhound! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Revolver Posted February 22, 2009 Report Share Posted February 22, 2009 I'd not buy a 24" to use as a dirt jump bike as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Vandart Posted February 23, 2009 Report Share Posted February 23, 2009 Lol, Ych y Fi ? You may as well type in Klingon as I was born in Somerset. But my Welsh wife informs me that you probably don't like the Rockhound!Correct. I was born in Woolongong New south Wales Australia.Gogs speak Klingon anyway I do realise that to learn Trials, I really need a Trials specific bike.Incorrect.Final score 1 out of 2.You can learn "trials" on anything like when it first evolved.However it is easier on a trials specific bike, also you are less likely to wreck it.24" is the way to go for all round street/dirt/trials.All the frames you mentioned look like good options but I've got a feeling you might be better off getting a DMR 24" (Rythm or Sidekick) you can pick them up Reeeeeaaallllly cheap.And get a more trials specific frame later on if you find you like hopping around.Matt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psycholist Posted February 23, 2009 Report Share Posted February 23, 2009 I used to use a DMR Sidekick for trials and I can say with confidence that the geometry on it is definitely not suitable for pure trials riding. The main issue is the distance from the pedals to the handlebars is shorter than trials specific frames, making the bike easier to tweak in the air and to lift to manuals (Useful for dirt jumping, which is what it was designed for), but massively less comfortable to hop on the back wheel. They're also shockingly heavy...I don't think any amount of trials abuse will break a DMR frame though - the DMR trailstar I still have has been taking everything I've given it from long XC rides to DH hammering and street riding since 2002 and is still showing no signs of failing... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stanners Posted February 25, 2009 Report Share Posted February 25, 2009 (edited) http://www.trials-forum.co.uk/gallery/1232...1_915_50456.jpghttp://www.trials-forum.co.uk/gallery/1232...1_915_59682.jpghttp://www.trials-forum.co.uk/gallery/1116...1_915_82634.jpghttp://www.trials-forum.co.uk/gallery/1177...1_915_11123.jpgHandsome Dog Rockhound was probably one of my all time favorite frames to ride.........fun basically.......and now its my dirt jumper Yeah sure there not trials specific but it can do it, along with what he wants it for. Strength and dirt jumpy.Suppose you could go for a Planet X Jack Flash, i think its called, which are cool as well.My opinion anyways. Edited February 25, 2009 by Stanners Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Vandart Posted February 25, 2009 Report Share Posted February 25, 2009 And your opinion is very Valid, I just don't like em. But then I don't like lots of things other people like, like turkish delight and crackers. Funny you should say Jack flash though......Matt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stanners Posted February 25, 2009 Report Share Posted February 25, 2009 Fair play mate............coleslaw ........i flippin hate that stuff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
middleageman Posted February 27, 2009 Author Report Share Posted February 27, 2009 Thanks folks for all your advice, I've bought a second hand Trials machine from a forum member which is in the post and due soon.I'll post some pics when it arrives.Cheers, middleageman. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weirdoku Posted February 27, 2009 Report Share Posted February 27, 2009 Awesome, what did you buy? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eskimo Posted February 28, 2009 Report Share Posted February 28, 2009 Yeah! What did you buy? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Dark Posted March 4, 2009 Report Share Posted March 4, 2009 Yeah! What did you buy? onza zoot off matt vandard i think Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
middleageman Posted March 4, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 4, 2009 (edited) Correct. Nice detective work! Sorry didn't see your posts asking me till now.Matt Vandart, good guy, helpful and a pleasure to deal with (considering he's from the SOUTH of Wales! )Will post pics when 'I've made it mine' so to speak. Just got to decide on some brakes now!Thanks for all your help and advice.middleageman. Edited March 4, 2009 by middleageman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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