craigjames Posted December 18, 2008 Report Share Posted December 18, 2008 i love it, tim rides like a beast thats for sure, dont think the wieght bothers him, got enough of his own just wish they'd make a shorter one, somewhere inbetween the current one and the old one i had. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
16 years later Posted December 18, 2008 Report Share Posted December 18, 2008 More that you can bend steel back without it cracking/snapping off.If you heat it before you bend it, it will last even longer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psycholist Posted December 18, 2008 Report Share Posted December 18, 2008 The forks are the way they are for a bunch of reasons. Firstly, I found with hooks especially, the disc brake forces actually shift the wheel in the dropout. To fix it either meant changing the dropout completely, or just brazing the mount on the other side... so we took the latter option, and it works great. The wheel no longer shifts in the dropouts as a result of disk brake forces. Theres also obvious plus points, like the caliper being a bit more protected, and funky looks.Hope thats all made sense!Tim.When was the wheel moving in the dropout during the hook? I'm wondering because for normal use, having the caliper at the back of the fork leg leads to the wheel coming out of the dropouts during braking while rolling forward. Putting the caliper on the front of the leg means the disk pushes the wheel more firmly into the dropout during braking while rolling forwards. The peak brake force during a hook is presumably when the front wheel has hooked over the top of the ledge and you hang backwards off the bike by the front wheel before hopping onto the ledge. This loads the brake backwards (Which for a normal caliper forces the wheel more firmly into the dropouts). Based on this thinking, the caliper location on the Pashleys is better for every use but trials...Cotic also make a rigid fork with the disk mount on the front of the fork leg, but the reason they do it is to allow standard full length mudguards to be fitted to the front fork. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
16 years later Posted December 18, 2008 Report Share Posted December 18, 2008 (edited) Re the drop outs, get one of these. I had one, i snapped my hanger with in minuets of getting a new bike. I got on of these and bashed it soooo much and it never broke again.http://www.tartybikes.co.uk/product.php?pr...;category_id=66 Edited December 18, 2008 by 16 years later Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Stedman Posted December 18, 2008 Report Share Posted December 18, 2008 When was the wheel moving in the dropout during the hook? I'm wondering because for normal use, having the caliper at the back of the fork leg leads to the wheel coming out of the dropouts during braking while rolling forward. Putting the caliper on the front of the leg means the disk pushes the wheel more firmly into the dropout during braking while rolling forwards. The peak brake force during a hook is presumably when the front wheel has hooked over the top of the ledge and you hang backwards off the bike by the front wheel before hopping onto the ledge. This loads the brake backwards (Which for a normal caliper forces the wheel more firmly into the dropouts). Based on this thinking, the caliper location on the Pashleys is better for every use but trials...Cotic also make a rigid fork with the disk mount on the front of the fork leg, but the reason they do it is to allow standard full length mudguards to be fitted to the front fork.The location on the caliper actually means that the braking force tries to shift the wheel either forwards or backwards in the dropout. With the 'normal' design, depending on which way the braking force goes, it either move the hub in or out of the dropout. The change in position complete cured the issue for me. Being a little heavier than your average rider, the problem actually occured quite regularly with the standard setup. The new position actually makes it better for all uses, especially trials, as it can never shift the wheel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monkeyseemonkeydo Posted December 18, 2008 Report Share Posted December 18, 2008 I didn't think you were supposed to use the brakes when hooking. And my wheels never move in my dropouts whatever I'm doing... Having said that, if that's what Tim says then I trust his word! I'm disappointed they went away from the tear-drop shaped downtube, but only for the old skool MHz-ness! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psycholist Posted December 18, 2008 Report Share Posted December 18, 2008 Tim: Nice - so the caliper ends up more or less directly above the axle? I only looked at the pictures of the fork, not the fork with a disk caliper fitted. That location sounds like where they probably should have been put all along ...Monkeysee: If you don't use the front brake hooking then how can you pull down on the bars to stretch the fork out to spring you up without just falling backwards? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monkeyseemonkeydo Posted December 18, 2008 Report Share Posted December 18, 2008 Monkeysee: If you don't use the front brake hooking then how can you pull down on the bars to stretch the fork out to spring you up without just falling backwards?But hooks aren't two distinct movements of hooking the front wheel, stopping, then springing up to the top- your body should make one fluid movement so the momentum is maintained and the bike continues travelling upwards and forwards onto the step. To be honest I don't really know what I'm talking about as I'm not that great at hooks but I'm sure Rowan told me once that if you do it right you shouldn't be pulling the brake. Shouldn't really trust a postie though to be fair... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ali C Posted December 18, 2008 Report Share Posted December 18, 2008 I have deffo done vertical hooks brakeless before. I snapped my front brake lever while hooking but I thought I would carry on anyway...worked really well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walker Posted December 18, 2008 Report Share Posted December 18, 2008 +1definitely possible, i used to do it on my mod, just gives your forks some stick!As for the frame, its a really original piece of kit, I was really pleased when i saw it would be going into production!Andrew Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonMack Posted December 19, 2008 Report Share Posted December 19, 2008 Monkeysee: If you don't use the front brake hooking then how can you pull down on the bars to stretch the fork out to spring you up without just falling backwards?Can you even hook?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monkeyseemonkeydo Posted December 19, 2008 Report Share Posted December 19, 2008 I think there may be a discrepancy on what's being described. By front hooks I'm meaning bunnyhopping/pedalling into a big step so the front wheel lands on top then flicking the bike up and forwards onto both wheels or the rear wheel in one move. That can be done without a front brake. However, a static hook where you just hang off the forks before springing up obviously will need a front brake in most cases and may be what others are getting at. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mafu26 Posted December 19, 2008 Report Share Posted December 19, 2008 yey all the way Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan81 Posted December 19, 2008 Report Share Posted December 19, 2008 I think the colour looks great, its be good to see more vibrant coloured frames again....For those really bothered by the dropout Im sure you can still buy a 'breakaway bolt' (Im sure I dont need to explain). Only thing that put me off is the price (I cant stretch £500 on a frame - I just dont ride enough for it to be worth it, although I do appreciate a bike like that will last) ...and you have to keep an eye on scratches more than an alu as it'll rust if not re-coated....other than that looks great to me! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tris Posted December 19, 2008 Report Share Posted December 19, 2008 I think its stunning, I'd grind the mech hanger off and run a 74 kingz though.+1.And it's steel!!!!! Frame does look wierd though. Theres 2 quite thin seat tubes and the TT has a random bend in it.Any built up pics?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
middleageman Posted December 19, 2008 Report Share Posted December 19, 2008 Hi, ...erm...i've just recently been validated to the members forum, what the bejesus are you all talking about?All these posts are going over my head like a Topol SS 27 missile!I think i'll meander through the murky waters of the 'newbies' section for a while!I didn't realise Trials was so involved.Sorry to intrude. middleageman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monkeyseemonkeydo Posted December 20, 2008 Report Share Posted December 20, 2008 Yeah, well trials really is the geeks version of bike riding... People will try and convince you that trials is cool and riders are along the same vein as downhillers and bmxers but it just ain't so! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomm Posted December 20, 2008 Report Share Posted December 20, 2008 Shhhhh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Beach Posted December 20, 2008 Report Share Posted December 20, 2008 I actually like the orange. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monkeyseemonkeydo Posted December 20, 2008 Report Share Posted December 20, 2008 Shhhhh Sorry .But it is true... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davetrials Posted December 21, 2008 Report Share Posted December 21, 2008 They should make a smaller MHZ Not mod* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birofunk Posted December 22, 2008 Report Share Posted December 22, 2008 OHI love it.... Im a mega fan of pashley - and that frame is ace - im actually considering buying it.Does anyone know of anywhere that has a full setup rather than just frame?... Also why nothing about this on pashley's site?! very strange Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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