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[Rossi]

Amazing. You couldn't use a better choice of music in my books.

[STEVE-0]

Animallll....my hero!

You have made me proud Adski...

xxx

[Jonny Jones]

Plain f**king cool Ben! Awesome haha! I just love how different your videos are, experimental and uses great music! Superb riding as well, some of those lines are so technically demanding, god I need to get out on the bike more next year haha! Great work fella! P.S. That was a lot of keyframing on those heads at the end haha, or was that down to trusty After Effects?

[manuel]

or was that down to trusty After Effects?

If it wasn't you should start playing with it Ben as its amazingly easy to do stuff like that !!

The end was mega - no idea how you dreamed that up...

On the whole I liked it alot riding was good shooting/editing was good. But the 3 sections made it seem a little like an intro to something ? a bit disjointed for me - so I preferred some of your other works.

But still props.

[1a2bcio8]

Plain f**king cool Ben! Awesome haha! I just love how different your videos are, experimental and uses great music! Superb riding as well, some of those lines are so technically demanding, god I need to get out on the bike more next year haha! Great work fella! P.S. That was a lot of keyframing on those heads at the end haha, or was that down to trusty After Effects?

If the three women hadn't walked behind Adam, I would have used (learnt) After Effects for a smooth placement and sticking of Adam's head over theirs. But as they walked behind him, this seemed like hassle in terms of making them dissapear behind him. Maybe I'm wrong though? Anyway, I just used captured frames and photoshop. Took a while!

If it wasn't you should start playing with it Ben as its amazingly easy to do stuff like that !!

The end was mega - no idea how you dreamed that up...

On the whole I liked it alot riding was good shooting/editing was good. But the 3 sections made it seem a little like an intro to something ? a bit disjointed for me - so I preferred some of your other works.

But still props.

I've actually got an After Effects book right next to me! I shall definitely use a few new learnt things for the next video which I'm currently working on. I remember your mentioning how powerful and easy a program it was. It just sometimes takes a while to find the motivation to learn new things.

Regarding the music change, the choice was that I felt different pieces of music went with different riding scenes. Sometimes I find certain things simply don't fit together (at least to my mind). Yeah it kinda spoils the traditional flow of things but personally that's not such an issue for me. It just makes the video feel shorter for some reason. I've found an ideal piece of music for the next video though, so probably won't be repeating that structure.

Cheers for the additional commentary, everyone.

[Jake Beach]

Really good video.

[ilikeriding]

My questioning was more specific to my attempts to correlate the music with the riding. I think people can listen to music in different ways and as a consequence not neccesarily pick up on the changes or events with music that are meant to be associated with an event or change of riding/scene. I guess this is kind of picking up on my intention but in this sense, we can talk, indicate and understand if we are sharing the same recognition of sound correlating with visual occurence. I think we can establish to a good degree anyway if we share the same meaning in other terms simply through discussion. Of course it's debatable how much we can communicate as to the meaning we are experiencing or thinking. Thanks for your comment anyway.

Ok well I don't feel that is to the point in terms of my point maybe I'm just thick but I still feel that your mini experiment is flawed in that way, I don't mean to sound like a dick or anything but I felt like I had to say this, maybe if you put it more simply i would understand better although I am a tad drunk so i need some jaffacakes

once again mint vid

[1a2bcio8]

Ok well I don't feel that is to the point in terms of my point maybe I'm just thick but I still feel that your mini experiment is flawed in that way, I don't mean to sound like a dick or anything but I felt like I had to say this, maybe if you put it more simply i would understand better although I am a tad drunk so i need some jaffacakes

once again mint vid

Furry muff

I'm just interested if people have an awareness of where i have planned a riding clip to go with the music in a certain way. Like for instance changing between clips at the sound of a drum or something similar. The point is, continuing with that example, perhaps some people don't listen to the drum beat of a song but pay attention to some other aspect and might miss the way I have related the music and visual part of the video. In this sense, we can know if we have the same perceptual filters, by somebody saying, "I was aware of several seemingly consistent points where a drum occured whilst the visual scene changed". If this is what I intended (and by definition, perceived), then I think we can say that we share the same perception? My additional point with what I was understanding you to say, is that this isn't much different with other types of meaning such as perhaps my end section with the red faces. You can say to me, "that you thought some of my video was sureal" and I would share this view. This is what I intended (and ultimately perceived) and this is what you saw of it. So we seem to be able to share the same perception (and thus filter) as far as I can tell. It's true though that we can have different perceptions but this is still readily understood by the language somebody uses. Were you perhaps getting at the way in which we can effect the way somebody filters something based on the point with which we give them certain information? Or were you getting at the potential problem of never really knowing what anyone really means, despite what they might say? This latter point being the one that I was somewhat responding to.

It may well be that I was talking nonsense in the absence of not quite getting what you were trying to say

And apologies if my writing isn't entirely clear. I struggle to write these types of ideas down without falling into a philosophical mode of thinking/expressing that my reading has influenced.

[Christophe']

Furry muff

I'm just interested if people have an awareness of where i have planned a riding clip to go with the music in a certain way. Like for instance changing between clips at the sound of a drum or something similar. The point is, continuing with that example, perhaps some people don't listen to the drum beat of a song but pay attention to some other aspect and might miss the way I have related the music and visual part of the video. In this sense, we can know if we have the same perceptual filters, by somebody saying, "I was aware of several seemingly consistent points where a drum occured whilst the visual scene changed". If this is what I intended (and by definition, perceived), then I think we can say that we share the same perception? My additional point with what I was understanding you to say, is that this isn't much different with other types of meaning such as perhaps my end section with the red faces. You can say to me, "that you thought some of my video was sureal" and I would share this view. This is what I intended (and ultimately perceived) and this is what you saw of it. So we seem to be able to share the same perception (and thus filter) as far as I can tell. It's true though that we can have different perceptions but this is still readily understood by the language somebody uses. Were you perhaps getting at the way in which we can effect the way somebody filters something based on the point with which we give them certain information? Or were you getting at the potential problem of never really knowing what anyone really means, despite what they might say? This latter point being the one that I was somewhat responding to.

It may well be that I was talking nonsense in the absence of not quite getting what you were trying to say

And apologies if my writing isn't entirely clear. I struggle to write these types of ideas down without falling into a philosophical mode of thinking/expressing that my reading has influenced.

ben , you are thinking too hard.....

[ilikeriding]

Furry muff

I'm just interested if people have an awareness of where i have planned a riding clip to go with the music in a certain way. Like for instance changing between clips at the sound of a drum or something similar. The point is, continuing with that example, perhaps some people don't listen to the drum beat of a song but pay attention to some other aspect and might miss the way I have related the music and visual part of the video. In this sense, we can know if we have the same perceptual filters, by somebody saying, "I was aware of several seemingly consistent points where a drum occured whilst the visual scene changed". If this is what I intended (and by definition, perceived), then I think we can say that we share the same perception? My additional point with what I was understanding you to say, is that this isn't much different with other types of meaning such as perhaps my end section with the red faces. You can say to me, "that you thought some of my video was sureal" and I would share this view. This is what I intended (and ultimately perceived) and this is what you saw of it. So we seem to be able to share the same perception (and thus filter) as far as I can tell. It's true though that we can have different perceptions but this is still readily understood by the language somebody uses. Were you perhaps getting at the way in which we can effect the way somebody filters something based on the point with which we give them certain information? Or were you getting at the potential problem of never really knowing what anyone really means, despite what they might say? This latter point being the one that I was somewhat responding to.

It may well be that I was talking nonsense in the absence of not quite getting what you were trying to say

And apologies if my writing isn't entirely clear. I struggle to write these types of ideas down without falling into a philosophical mode of thinking/expressing that my reading has influenced.

ah ha this is much more clear, I thought there was a general meaning to the whole of the end part of the video, and that may have been something like: although onlookers see trials as being a bit freaky, the rider is still one of those onlookers and therefore is the same, my interpretation based upon posts I have read of yours is that is was going to be something unnecessarily profound, meaningful if interpreted in certain ways but at the same time a little broad, so that is what I came up with.

So imagine the meaning was as I just stated and you had created those images ect, in order to portray that meaning. Then imagine if someone else had done exactly the same thing and you hadn't, you could (most likely would) interpret if differently. I think this would be because of the difference in situation. When creating something you would have thoughts/ideas that cause you to make it in that way and therefore to perceive it in that way, when interpreting something you do not have the same thoughts as you would not be the one creating, it would be a different time so your thoughts and feelings that affect decision would differ.

This means that if someone had the same perceptual filter as you and they interpreted the material of your creation they would not come to the same conclusion as to what it means or it is unlikely. From what I have said I don't think language would play a part in this as it would just be used to convey the differing proposed meanings but I'm not sure how close my example was to your intention so what I have said may not apply to what you have done.

I hope this clears things up a little and the last part of the first paragraph isnt some sort of insult lol, just an opinion that may have affected my thinking

Edited December 20, 2008 by ilikeriding

[Krisboats]

Furry muff

I'm just interested if people have an awareness of where i have planned a riding clip to go with the music in a certain way. Like for instance changing between clips at the sound of a drum or something similar. The point is, continuing with that example, perhaps some people don't listen to the drum beat of a song but pay attention to some other aspect and might miss the way I have related the music and visual part of the video. In this sense, we can know if we have the same perceptual filters, by somebody saying, "I was aware of several seemingly consistent points where a drum occured whilst the visual scene changed". If this is what I intended (and by definition, perceived), then I think we can say that we share the same perception? My additional point with what I was understanding you to say, is that this isn't much different with other types of meaning such as perhaps my end section with the red faces. You can say to me, "that you thought some of my video was sureal" and I would share this view. This is what I intended (and ultimately perceived) and this is what you saw of it. So we seem to be able to share the same perception (and thus filter) as far as I can tell. It's true though that we can have different perceptions but this is still readily understood by the language somebody uses. Were you perhaps getting at the way in which we can effect the way somebody filters something based on the point with which we give them certain information? Or were you getting at the potential problem of never really knowing what anyone really means, despite what they might say? This latter point being the one that I was somewhat responding to.

It may well be that I was talking nonsense in the absence of not quite getting what you were trying to say

And apologies if my writing isn't entirely clear. I struggle to write these types of ideas down without falling into a philosophical mode of thinking/expressing that my reading has influenced.

I get it... you want to see if someone else likes the drums too

[Tomm]

I struggle to write these types of ideas down without falling into a philosophical mode of thinking/expressing that my reading big bag of crack has influenced.

I know what you're saying about the drum beats though. If you're editing and you have an idea of the effect you're trying to achieve (in this case timing the drums with the change of clip), then every time you re-watch the video, the effect is blindingly obvious to you. It's hard to know if other people will notice the effect on any kind of level.

I noticed that particular effect but wasn't sure if that's what you meant since I assumed you were alluding to something far more esoteric

[manuel]

all I thought when I heard the drums was EVOLVE

[Rusevelt]

Throughly enjoyed that adam. i'd noticed this video days before, but didn't bother to view it because i thought is was repost glasseye vid. Shame this vid doesn't include some of the amazing lines you pulled during the london rides. Your one those riders that ability and gravity seems to smile at you with good fortune.

[Nathan Woodley]

yes adam and ben. thoroughly enjoyed that, makes me wanna dust off the bike and get riding again.

[1a2bcio8]

So imagine the meaning was as I just stated and you had created those images ect, in order to portray that meaning. Then imagine if someone else had done exactly the same thing and you hadn't, you could (most likely would) interpret if differently. I think this would be because of the difference in situation. When creating something you would have thoughts/ideas that cause you to make it in that way and therefore to perceive it in that way, when interpreting something you do not have the same thoughts as you would not be the one creating, it would be a different time so your thoughts and feelings that affect decision would differ.

This means that if someone had the same perceptual filter as you and they interpreted the material of your creation they would not come to the same conclusion as to what it means or it is unlikely. From what I have said I don't think language would play a part in this as it would just be used to convey the differing proposed meanings but I'm not sure how close my example was to your intention so what I have said may not apply to what you have done.

I hope this clears things up a little and the last part of the first paragraph isnt some sort of insult lol, just an opinion that may have affected my thinking

Yeah, I think that a reduced chance of sharing such conceptual meaning (prior to communication) is more likely to be true . However, you're entering dangerous grounds in terms of saying that people won't have the same perception* and additionally that language plays no role. It seems to be widely accepted in academia that conceptual thought is actually dependent on language, and that language also plays a large role in shaping the way we filter our reality (what we do and don't pay attentino to/how we interpret). Quite simply, without language, you are without thought so there's no chance of developing any sort of meaning. I would love to get into this but I'm just not able to at the moment as it's too complex for me to get into words right now. I'd mostly be communicating the ideas of Alfred Korzybski and Ludwig Wittgenstien though if you're interested enough to look it up yourself.

Cheers for challenging my thinking though, it's just a shame I'm not up to it right now!

*relating to what we MUST mean by perception

I know what you're saying about the drum beats though. If you're editing and you have an idea of the effect you're trying to achieve (in this case timing the drums with the change of clip), then every time you re-watch the video, the effect is blindingly obvious to you. It's hard to know if other people will notice the effect on any kind of level.

I noticed that particular effect but wasn't sure if that's what you meant since I assumed you were alluding to something far more esoteric

Bah Tomm, what's this reputation I seem to have as some hardcore illegal drug user!? Granted I'm struggling with a codeine addiction but even so

And to everyone, the drumbeats were an example and not neccesarrily anything specific to the video!