DARkON Posted December 13, 2008 Report Share Posted December 13, 2008 on my other bike, stumpjump hardtail, i was able to bunnyhop pretty well for me.on my adamant, +45 BB and 1090 wb, i can clear tall street curbs. that is about 1/3 to 1/4 the height of the stumpjumper. is there a way to make my adamant for bunnyhop friendly?i'd also like to get into manuals. however, i've never worked on manualing an other by beside the adamant.here are some of my parts. im not sure about any more specific specifications per part.Adamant A1 long 135mm rear spacing 1090sb +45bbZoo 4 bolt CNC’d forkFSA PIG headsetEcho stemEcho Riser barRogue GripsMagura HS33 brakesRock trials brake padsEcho 4 bolt brake mountsMoe Trials 128mm BB ISISEcho CNC stock crank isisEno Front freewheel 18TEcho bashringVP caged pedalsKMC Kool chain 3/32”Echo front disc hub laced to front Echo rim 32HEcho rear fixed hub laced to rear Echo rim 32Halso, i've been tossing around the idea of getting an Inspired Fourplay and using a number of my adamant's parts to build up the Fourplay.thoughts advice criticisms w/ethanksaustin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonCongreve Posted December 13, 2008 Report Share Posted December 13, 2008 Your Adamant's built up so that it will be comfortable on the backwheel and therefore not so good for streety stuff. If you want to be able to do bunnyhops, manuals etc it would probably be best to look at getting a new frame. If you want to make your Adamant more streey you could try riser bars and a shorter stem amybe? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skoze Posted December 13, 2008 Report Share Posted December 13, 2008 (edited) A long wheelbase, high bb bike is always going to be hard to bunnyhop! I'd say that if you really wanted to get into streetier stuff, get a shorter frame, of try a 24".It's not impossible to bunnyhop long bikes, just an awful lot harder than on a hardtail/ street bike etc.I'd recommend a higher stem/ bars first of all, makes a husge difference! Try and get the front end as light as possible too.If you think you'd like to have a go at a 24", i'd say just go for it. Are ther any riders near you who ride 24"? If so, have a go on their bikes on rides, i don't think you'll be disappointed!Just keep practicing, it'll come in time,Matt Edited December 13, 2008 by Skoze Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walker Posted December 14, 2008 Report Share Posted December 14, 2008 just keep at it! pull up really hard; I can bunny hop my kamel, look at Kenny and dani comas, they're both beasts at bunny hops! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greetings Posted December 14, 2008 Report Share Posted December 14, 2008 A long wheelbase, high bb bike is always going to be hard to bunnyhop!That's a popular misconception. High bb bikes are difficult to bunnyhop because of the stems that are used. The rise itself makes bunnyhops easier. For example, a Control with a short and low stem will be much more difficult to bunnyhop than an old A1 with the same stemGenerally the shorter the stem, the easier it is to bunnyhop a frame. But with high bb bikes, a short stem is jolly uncomfortable. Perhaps change over to a different frame? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DARkON Posted December 14, 2008 Author Report Share Posted December 14, 2008 great replies! I have seen some really big bunny hops and manuals on trials bikes. I've just never seen me do it. 8Pi've considered a new frame, but i am one of maybe two trials riders and among a very slim pickings when it comes to non-BMX street bikes in Oklahoma. That makes trying other bikes difficult.I will try a new stem for sure, now.FourplayReach from centre of BB shell to centre top of head tube: 650mm (25.5")A1Centre of BB shell to top centre of head tube: Short 665mm (26.25"), [Long 675mm (26.5") <--- mine is the long version]is this measurement parallel toptube length? how noticeable would this change be, the 675mm to the 650mm?a new frame was recommended a few times. any suggestions on which frame or what i'd be looking for in a different frame?thanks guyshere's a pick of me and the bike in my backyard on an obstacle i fashioned (before brake booster and rear wheel grind) like a face to a name, a bike to a discussion 8D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eskimo Posted December 14, 2008 Report Share Posted December 14, 2008 It's not parallel, it's the distance from the BB to the Headtube. Centre to Top. (as said)So it's not really a safe measurement in some cases. Because the BB height and Headangle can throw it off. But also it's kinda of a shit/ worthless measurement if you don't take the stem into consideration. My A1 would manual and bunny hop but it wasn't great. Also 180s were a laugh because it just felt stupid. I just used a whole pedal stroke to bring the bike up and spin it. I reckon you should try a short frame, like the 07 Pitbull or Control? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manuel Posted December 14, 2008 Report Share Posted December 14, 2008 Your Adamant's built up so that it will be comfortable on the backwheel and therefore not so good for streety stuff. If you want to be able to do bunnyhops, manuals etc it would probably be best to look at getting a new frame. If you want to make your Adamant more streey you could try riser bars and a shorter stem amybe?Once you are up then it will be boss for manuals - as the balance point on trials bikes are so easy to lock into. I would also say dont sacrifice your stem length either - a short stem on a proper trials bike is completely pointless, from the picture it looks quite low - so you could get a higher rise one leaving those spacers in? should straighten up your body position and make it easier to pull up the bars. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tris Posted December 14, 2008 Report Share Posted December 14, 2008 Once you've mastered the technique of a proper bunnhyop it is easier to hop a bike with a long wheelbase higher. For example on a bmx with a small wheelbase. The front is piss easy to lift up but you can only reach a certain height hopping without making it oober difficult. Its hard to explain but because the wheelbase is short, the front wheel can't be too high off the ground before you lift the back up, otherwise you come to far back (can't level out intime and have overcooked the balance point as it where).However on something like a zoot or a foreplay. The front is really hard to lift up but will be really easier to hop 1m+. I could bunnyhop my zoot easily rail height before i sold it, you just have to yank the front up with everything you've got and then throw the back up. I could hop my zoot 10x higher than my 20.4" TT bmx........ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damon W Posted December 14, 2008 Report Share Posted December 14, 2008 trialtech bars...gym...pull up hard as you can Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sstein Posted December 14, 2008 Report Share Posted December 14, 2008 I agree, man up grow so cojones (and some muscles) and then just pull up hard and kick your legs in to get the front up, then just hop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ali C Posted December 14, 2008 Report Share Posted December 14, 2008 For example, a Control with a short and low stem will be much more difficult to bunnyhop than an old A1 with the same stemI disagree! I think the adamant with the same stem as on the echo would be much harder to bunnyhop!my tips for better bunnyhops:1) higher stem2) shorter stem3) more backsweep on bars4) more body EnglishThat will make them easier, but your still not going anywhere if you don't put in the effort. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DARkON Posted December 15, 2008 Author Report Share Posted December 15, 2008 thanks guys 8D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ross McArthur Posted December 15, 2008 Report Share Posted December 15, 2008 I disagree! I think the adamant with the same stem as on the echo would be much harder to bunnyhop!my tips for better bunnyhops:1) higher stem2) shorter stem3) more backsweep on bars4) more body EnglishThat will make them easier, but your still not going anywhere if you don't put in the effort.??? What??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greetings Posted December 15, 2008 Report Share Posted December 15, 2008 I disagree! I think the adamant with the same stem as on the echo would be much harder to bunnyhop!Tried it 2 years ago using a very short Onza stem on an A1 06' and it made me land on my back at the first bunnyhop attempt. It really made the bike dead easy to bunnyhop. I compared that to an '04 Pure which was much more difficult. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie_Neal Posted December 16, 2008 Report Share Posted December 16, 2008 Tried it 2 years ago using a very short Onza stem on an A1 06' and it made me land on my back at the first bunnyhop attempt. It really made the bike dead easy to bunnyhop. I compared that to an '04 Pure which was much more difficult.I've found my 07 A1 easier to bunny hop/get on the rear wheel than my 04 control - personally, I think it is down to the slightly shorter chain stays (380 instead of 385).Try a higher (not shorter) stem. I've got a trial tech stem and pretty flat bars which are similar to zoos etc and I can still bunny hop it about 44" on a good day. (I am 6'4" - may make a difference). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Revolver Posted December 16, 2008 Report Share Posted December 16, 2008 ??? What???Body English - Body Language - Body movement Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DARkON Posted December 22, 2008 Author Report Share Posted December 22, 2008 i ended up getting a stem to try.... 110mm @ 35 degreesit is way easier to bunny hop and what not. only one ride on it, but i am happy for now. 8Dthanks ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bikeperson45 Posted December 22, 2008 Report Share Posted December 22, 2008 (edited) i ended up getting a stem to try.... 110mm @ 35 degreesit is way easier to bunny hop and what not. only one ride on it, but i am happy for now. 8Dthanks !What stem is it, i'm in a similar situation Edited December 22, 2008 by bikeperson45 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DARkON Posted December 23, 2008 Author Report Share Posted December 23, 2008 it is a BBB highrise OS 110mm @ 25 degrees. it uses 6061 aluminum and 4 mm hex keys on the hbar bolts not 5 or 6 mm bolts like others. echo uses 7075 t6 al. i am not confident in its strength.idk much about the company and i am _not_ going to keep it permanently for strength confidence reasons.i'll just have to find a trials/DH stem similar to it.i am know tarty bikes has a slew of options for stems, i've looked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bikeperson45 Posted December 23, 2008 Report Share Posted December 23, 2008 I was thinking about the Try-All one at Tarty bikes. That's 105mm x 17*I find it so hard to pick... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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