max-t Posted December 7, 2008 Report Share Posted December 7, 2008 pro 2/king? MatNo go. Which sucks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan. Posted December 7, 2008 Report Share Posted December 7, 2008 (edited) So onzonys are bringing out a frame that won't take 2 of the most common freehubs in the market? Edited December 7, 2008 by Ryan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben John-Hynes Posted December 7, 2008 Report Share Posted December 7, 2008 Dropouts look so f**king weak! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T.McMillan Posted December 8, 2008 Report Share Posted December 8, 2008 gash Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Duck Posted December 8, 2008 Report Share Posted December 8, 2008 Just sused it.The more the back wheel is lifted up, the steeper the head-angle and the lower the BB rise.The BB rise is measured as the distance up (or down) from the straight line wheelbase. If the wheel is moved up in the dropouts, the BB rise will decrease, but the head-angle, as expected will get steeper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grant_hundley Posted December 8, 2008 Report Share Posted December 8, 2008 Just sused it.The more the back wheel is lifted up, the steeper the head-angle and the lower the BB rise.The BB rise is measured as the distance up (or down) from the straight line wheelbase. If the wheel is moved up in the dropouts, the BB rise will decrease, but the head-angle, as expected will get steeper.Nah that isn't right.. I think.Undo your wheel in your frame and lift the frame up, but keep the wheel in the same place.. The headangle gets steeper and the bb rises.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cookyboy Posted December 8, 2008 Report Share Posted December 8, 2008 Dropout gonna rip straight off! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Burrows Posted December 9, 2008 Report Share Posted December 9, 2008 Man some of you guys are seriously harsh! What the hell is the point in just blatently ripping into designs and ideas. If you don't like something why not write something constructive? Or maybe if you insist on being such a fussy and negative sod you could just state your opinion without resorting to flaming and insults.I'm unimpressed at the negative tripe that seems to constantly come from some members!It looks nice I think, it stands out, its different from the normal plain paintjobs which I think we should be grateful for after the long, low and silver years...Geo sounds nice, and i'm all for making it adjustable but as others have said, not at the cost of hub choice. It would be interesting to see a trials frame with an adjustable head angle as seen on DH bikes as well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stan Shaw Posted December 9, 2008 Report Share Posted December 9, 2008 Dropout gonna rip straight off!You clearly have no idea what you are on about. It's a shame the frame won't work with a Chris King or Hope Pro2 hub But I guess the french probably don't even know what they are lol, and the majority of comp riders use a freewheel anyway.I'm am glad they have got the weight back down too. 1750g is light and Ozony's frames have always been strong enough in my opinion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
max-t Posted December 9, 2008 Report Share Posted December 9, 2008 You clearly have no idea what you are on about. It's a shame the frame won't work with a Chris King or Hope Pro2 hub But I guess the french probably don't even know what they are lol, and the majority of comp riders use a freewheel anyway.I'm am glad they have got the weight back down too. 1750g is light and Ozony's frames have always been strong enough in my opinion Yer they do. At Koxx days this year we were riding on the far side by the pool and there was a group of French riders. I think one of them asked what hub/freewheel I was using and one of the other guys goes ** French, French, French, Crees Keeng ** .What are you gonna do when you get yours Stan? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stan Shaw Posted December 9, 2008 Report Share Posted December 9, 2008 (edited) Yer they do. At Koxx days this year we were riding on the far side by the pool and there was a group of French riders. I think one of them asked what hub/freewheel I was using and one of the other guys goes ** French, French, French, Crees Keeng ** .What are you gonna do when you get yours Stan? Haha Duno, bodge it maybe? Actually thinking about, you can get Chris King HD axle inserts that you screw in to allow you to use a skewer with a HD axle. A skewer would be OK to becuase the wheel ain't going anywhere with the dropout design. Edited December 9, 2008 by Stan Shaw Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
max-t Posted December 9, 2008 Report Share Posted December 9, 2008 Haha Duno, bodge it maybe? Actually thinking about, you can get Chris King HD axle inserts that you screw in to allow you to use a skewer with a HD axle. A skewer would be OK to becuase the wheel ain't going anywhere with the dropout design.So QR It'l be then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stan Shaw Posted December 9, 2008 Report Share Posted December 9, 2008 So QR It'l be then? Aye, probably the easiest way lol. Although Skewers look horrible haha, and bolts are lighter :$ We'll see I guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ross McArthur Posted December 9, 2008 Report Share Posted December 9, 2008 You dont have to use a squer with a arm on it Stan. There are squers that look like bolts remember. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forteh Posted December 9, 2008 Report Share Posted December 9, 2008 You dont have to use a squer with a arm on it Stan. There are squers that look like bolts remember. I got some ti bolt thoughs from the states, couldnt find any controltech ones in the UK and found a set on ebay for 25 USD; equated to 25quid including the shipping, which is damn cheap for a titanium bolt through. Theyve since upped the price www.racebolts.comAlso a bit worrying about that dropout design, the whole load from the back wheel seems to be transmitted from the frame through to the axle via a single M6 allen screw - thats a substantial reduction in material section over even a standard QR Tensioner is a neat solution, been doing it on my bikes for ages now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdamR28 Posted December 9, 2008 Report Share Posted December 9, 2008 how can the bb rise get less as you lift the rear up ? Im struggling.Me too... have quizzed Bruno, I'm with Rowan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
totaltrials Posted December 9, 2008 Report Share Posted December 9, 2008 Shame I don't speak french and they still haven't sorted out the English section!http://translate.google.com/translate?u=ht...sl=fr&tl=en Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N.Wood Posted December 9, 2008 Report Share Posted December 9, 2008 My take on it is:As the rear wheel is placed on the higher holes, the bb rise will decrease (think about putting the rear wheel ontop of the seatstay instead of below)And HA will get slacker. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdamR28 Posted December 9, 2008 Report Share Posted December 9, 2008 Yeah that's right..."1084 - 377 - 35 - 72°1085 - 378 - 40 - 71.5°1086 - 380 - 45 - 71°"Which means those figures (BB and head angle) are the wrong way round Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manuel Posted December 9, 2008 Report Share Posted December 9, 2008 So - Assuming ...1084 - 377 - 35 - 71°1085 - 378 - 40 - 71.5°1086 - 380 - 45 - 72°which one are stan and ali going to run ?! Personally I would go with the steepest head angle - but Im not convinced the difference will be that noticeable ? Just seems they have sacrificed a lot for a very small amount of adjustment ? Tensioner is boss though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdamR28 Posted December 9, 2008 Report Share Posted December 9, 2008 You will defo notice 1 degree in the head angle... but I am not sure if that much adjustment will make a full degree of difference... Maths time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davetrials Posted December 9, 2008 Report Share Posted December 9, 2008 TO THE ABACUS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rusevelt Posted December 9, 2008 Report Share Posted December 9, 2008 (edited) It would have been a more interesting and noticeable ride if the adjustable headangle was between 72, 72.5, and 73 degrees (bb around 30-35 at 73 degrees). Edited December 9, 2008 by Rusevelt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forteh Posted December 9, 2008 Report Share Posted December 9, 2008 (edited) 2 minutes with autocad, not 100% accurate but close enough edit: thats rotating 1/2 degree either way about the front wheel spindle. Edited December 9, 2008 by forteh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdamR28 Posted December 9, 2008 Report Share Posted December 9, 2008 9mm... seems like a feasible difference at the rear axle, sweet! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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