G-baby158 Posted November 16, 2008 Report Share Posted November 16, 2008 Hi all, can someone tell me what spoke size's i need for a Profile rear hub and a 24" Halo SAS rim please? Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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monkeyseemonkeydo Posted November 17, 2008 Report Share Posted November 17, 2008 How about you just buy the spokes from Tarty Adam seeing as he'll be building the wheel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psycholist Posted November 17, 2008 Report Share Posted November 17, 2008 Google for a program called spocalc.xls to calculate the spoke length you need - it may not have the specific rim/hub you want, but you can measure the ERD and the hub and put them into the program manually. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-baby158 Posted November 17, 2008 Author Report Share Posted November 17, 2008 How about you just buy the spokes from Tarty Adam seeing as he'll be building the wheel.Because the spokes that i want are £17.50 on tarty and i can get them for about a tenner. Plus if it costs to much to send the wheel i might not get it built by them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-baby158 Posted November 22, 2008 Author Report Share Posted November 22, 2008 Google for a program called spocalc.xls to calculate the spoke length you need - it may not have the specific rim/hub you want, but you can measure the ERD and the hub and put them into the program manually.Can't find the programe on google, plus what is ERD ? i don't get any of this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ding_dong Posted November 22, 2008 Report Share Posted November 22, 2008 take the hub annd rim to you LBS and they will measure it for you if ther a half decent shop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-baby158 Posted November 22, 2008 Author Report Share Posted November 22, 2008 take the hub annd rim to you LBS and they will measure it for you if ther a half decent shop.I know that but i han't got the rim yet, why do you think i'm talking to you about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psycholist Posted November 23, 2008 Report Share Posted November 23, 2008 First link on google when you type spocalc.xls into the Google search: http://www.sheldonbrown.com/rinard/spocalc.htmThe ERD is Effective Rim Diameter. This is the diameter of the rim as far as the spoke length is concerned. It's measured by getting two long spokes, cutting the bends off them to take them to a known length and fitting spoke nipples to the threaded ends (Superglue them in position to stop them unwinding) so the end of the spoke is flush with the back of the spoke nipple (The ideal location for the spoke nipple relative to the spoke in a wheel with perfect spoke length). Stick the spokes through spoke holes directly opposite each other in the rim and measure how much overlap there is where the two spokes meet. The ERD is equal to [spoke length 1] + [spoke length 2] - [overlap between spokes]. It's a good plan to measure this for several different pairs of spoke holes in the rim and average the results as not all rims are perfectly round. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eskimo Posted November 23, 2008 Report Share Posted November 23, 2008 Yeah £17.50 is allot considering silver is like £10. I think they should both be £15. I know black costs more to produce but silver is stronger. And maybe i'm just used to bmx pricing.Anyhow, somewhere around 236 for 3x and 244 for 4x. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-baby158 Posted November 23, 2008 Author Report Share Posted November 23, 2008 Right i'm really sorry if i'm pissing people of with this but i dont understand it i'm only 15 and just can't get it i've looked down the page(s) for a halo sas rim but not on there same as the profile hub. I've e-mail'd tarty but they hav'nt reply'd i dont know what to do Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eskimo Posted November 24, 2008 Report Share Posted November 24, 2008 (edited) What's the hub? I mean isit 135mm or 116mm?I'll try and figure it out for you.[edit]I get 240mm for 4x. That's a Profile Mini Bmx hub on a 24" Halo SAS. 36h. Edited November 24, 2008 by eskimo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-baby158 Posted November 24, 2008 Author Report Share Posted November 24, 2008 What's the hub? I mean isit 135mm or 116mm?I'll try and figure it out for you.The hub is a blue profile mini, 116mm, 36h and the rim is a 24" halo sas. thanks for that mate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan6061 Posted November 25, 2008 Report Share Posted November 25, 2008 Ring wherever you're buying the spokes from and ask them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-baby158 Posted November 25, 2008 Author Report Share Posted November 25, 2008 Thanks all, its ok now tarty e-mail'd back i need 232mm drive side, 234mm other side, 3x. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdamR28 Posted November 25, 2008 Report Share Posted November 25, 2008 We do have spokes for a tenner by the way... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan6061 Posted November 25, 2008 Report Share Posted November 25, 2008 We do have spokes for a tenner by the way...I think he's after black spokes though? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-baby158 Posted November 26, 2008 Author Report Share Posted November 26, 2008 (edited) Right was looking for spokes for my halo now i know what i need, i found and i'm thinking its 25- for one ?[email=http://www.ison-distribution.com/ison/english/product.php?part=SKID224K&PHPSESSID=g8b3it95n0jo91uuu1rjtpol97]these why do they sell them in ones for ? Plus could you tell me what the 3x means ? Edited November 26, 2008 by G-baby158 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eskimo Posted November 26, 2008 Report Share Posted November 26, 2008 (edited) That's a distributor, you can't buy direct from them.3x means 3 Cross. The spokes cross over each other 3 times. The more crosses the longer the spokes. That's why Tarty quoted 234mm for 3 cross and i quoted 240mm for 4 cross. There isn't much need in having one side of the spokes longer. The wheel will need dishing anyway. It just means the spokes aren't lightly to pull out from the nipple (unlikely if long enough) and the heads aren't poking through the top of the nipple.Just buy from Tarty or CRC depending on price/ colour. Tarty stock Sapim, CRC stock DT Swiss. Equally as good, same weight on both too. Edited November 26, 2008 by eskimo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-baby158 Posted November 26, 2008 Author Report Share Posted November 26, 2008 Whats better ? 3x or 4x ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shamus Posted November 26, 2008 Report Share Posted November 26, 2008 3x is the amount of times a spoke crosses another spoke (from the same hub side) on its path from the hub to the rim, 3x is 3 crosses. 4x is 4 crosses3x is the standard for wheel builds, and probably best in most cases. unless you are a particularly hard rider and side load/twist your wheel a lot or weigh a fair bit then 4x is unnecessary (plus its a pain to lace up)are you buying the parts from tarty because i got a wheelbuild from them the other week and it arrived absolultely spanking, perfectly round and dead straightunless you are competant and happy building wheels, its worth the price of getting it built proffesionally because with a little careful maintentance it'll last helluva lot longer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-baby158 Posted November 27, 2008 Author Report Share Posted November 27, 2008 I was going to get tarty to build it but its going to cost quite alot to send and what i've heard is that i have to pay for p&p back to me aswell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shamus Posted November 28, 2008 Report Share Posted November 28, 2008 that may be so, i don't know the details, but it'll be worth it in the long run in my opinion. i've got a hope rear wheel built by chain reaction cycles and it has lasted me about 4 years (1 year light use then 1 year intensive i year off then another year of reaallllly heavy use! (my drop gap stage:))a proffesional build is always a good choice, a perfect start point with even tension and perfect trueness, even with light maintenance it'll last way longer then a amatuer build (i even found this with 48 spoke 20" bmx wheels where there is room for error with the smaller wheel and more spokes) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-baby158 Posted November 28, 2008 Author Report Share Posted November 28, 2008 I've been thinking about it and its not really going t cost that much isit, if i send it via parcel force 48h its only going to cost £5 at the most surly ? plus do i have to pay for p&p back to me aswell ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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