Al_Fel Posted October 3, 2008 Report Share Posted October 3, 2008 Do you loose the ability to choose what you do when you drink Alcohol? I don't know what its like for other people but when I've had a few Shandy's I still know full well what I'm doing, granted it does make certain choices easier (shagging fatties) but I know what I'm getting myself into maybe thats just me though?I've been in one proper fight when I was drunk and I "chose" to punch that lads head in, I may not have done it if I was sober but I don't think alcohol made me do it. I also chose to apologise to the lad and shake his hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fish-Finger-er Posted October 3, 2008 Report Share Posted October 3, 2008 Do you loose the ability to choose what you do when you drink Alcohol? I don't know what its like for other people but when I've had a few Shandy's I still know full well what I'm doing, granted it does make certain choices easier (shagging fatties) but I know what I'm getting myself into maybe thats just me though?I've been in one proper fight when I was drunk and I "chose" to punch that lads head in, I may not have done it if I was sober but I don't think alcohol made me do it. I also chose to apologise to the lad and shake his hand.yea for a lot of people it makes the choice to fight easier.erm, for me, im generally less likely to fight after ive had a few, however im more likely to be involved in a fight. generally im not a guy who goes round kicking peoples heads in for a laugh, but at the same time, if someone wants a fight, and theres gunna be a ruck, id rather some burberry'd up knobhead has a go with me, than with one of my mates. but generally im the kind of person, whos fully aware of what there doing, till its past the point of being able to do it anyway, much like with you and extremely fat girls, by the time you think its a good idea to try and play find the right crease,your so drunk it wont come up, with me, by the time ive got this "hey ill fight any one who looks at me funny, smash me glass down, go "come on then blud" and swagger over to the guy minding his own business in the corner" attitude, i can barely stand. the rest of the time, after a few, im generally thinkin "meh, i dont know if i can fight properly now" or "if he hits me, im gunna be sleeping in my state".but i got plenty of mates who drink 3 pints of cider, think there mike tyson, and will call out anyone for the smallest of things. in the same way youll tell yourself "they are meant to be skinny jeans, shes not just too fat for her clothes" i know people thatll kid onto themselves "hes looking at me funny, and tellin his bird, that im a c**t, im gunna go break his jaw". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spider Lad Posted October 3, 2008 Report Share Posted October 3, 2008 Ben. Benny. Benjy. I'll admit I only skimmed your above article.Alcohol is never an excuse for anything, people should be resposible for they way in which they take alcohol and responsible for their own actions, whether under the influence of alcohol or otherwise. I'd really struggle to understand why anybody would try and disagree.The blanket term 'alcohol' seems a bit weird though. My flat-mate is really friendly, chatty and generally alright (albeit a bit slow ) when he drinks whiskey or spirits, but if he drinks lager or beer he tends to become a complete f**ktard, more aggressive and more confrontational, and just generally a tool. On the opposite end of the spectrum, my sister's ex used to be fine if he drank lager/beer/cider/etc., but if he drank Jack Daniels he'd gradually become silent and just glare at everyone. Weird. But yeah, different drinks seem to affect people differently?Some people seem to think it might just be psychological... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1a2bcio8 Posted October 3, 2008 Report Share Posted October 3, 2008 (edited) Do you loose the ability to choose what you do when you drink Alcohol? I don't know what its like for other people but when I've had a few Shandy's I still know full well what I'm doing, granted it does make certain choices easier (shagging fatties) but I know what I'm getting myself into maybe thats just me though?I've been in one proper fight when I was drunk and I "chose" to punch that lads head in, I may not have done it if I was sober but I don't think alcohol made me do it. I also chose to apologise to the lad and shake his hand.The point is that the way you make choices change, as you admit through your altered choice in women. We talk or think of reasoning and intoxication as different things only for linguistic convenience. Your reasoning, in so much as it is a capacity of your biological being cannot be separated from the condition of that being. My capacity to walk, talk, do mathematics or other similar stuff becomes reduced when I drink as I'm sure is the same with you. Alcohol changes who we are and this can contribute to violence. We don't need to select just one aspect of an event and say that only that aspect was to blame. There are more variables involved than we can account for yet still we surmize some of them as generally more causative than others. Personality and alcohol are two aspects which largely contribute. To select one and just say it is only this seems silly to me. I'll emphasise again, this doesn't mean I am saying alcohol is completely to blame or that it makes people do something, just that it isn't completely not to blame (across a range of degrees). Placing blame in one element doesn't make sense! It is nonsensical. We wouldn't blame just my foot if I kicked you with, we would blame all of me! Edited October 3, 2008 by Ben Rowlands Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1a2bcio8 Posted October 3, 2008 Report Share Posted October 3, 2008 (edited) Ben. Benny. Benjy. I'll admit I only skimmed your above article.Well that doesn't make me feel very confident that you ever really tried to understand my point then!In response to your irrelevant quote (where you are somewhat supporting my argument again), I never said anything about responsibility in general such as allowing oneself to get very drunk or knowing that you 'might' (which is a potential for anyone who drinks given the natural disposition of all human beings) get violent when you drink later on. All I was saying is that in a given moment, where somebody behaves violently, we best account for the violence by considering both personality and alcohol if it has been consumed. It's quite probable that in the same situation with the removal of alcohol that the violence may not have happened.btw, did you used to be called DLB? Edited October 3, 2008 by Ben Rowlands Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomm Posted October 3, 2008 Report Share Posted October 3, 2008 you 'might' (which is a potential for anyone who drinks given the natural disposition of all human beings) get violent when you drinkReally? You seem to be suggesting that everyone is 'hard-wired' to get violent when drunk. I don't think that's the case with me, personally I can't say I've ever felt the need to hit anyone while drunk. I totally accept that my thought patterns and reasoning change, I do stupid and occasionally bad things when I'm drunk but violence never comes into it. I find it hard to believe that you go out, drink and fight, too. Maybe I'm wrong about you.btw, did you used to be called DLB?Yes.From To Change DateDLB Spider Lad 28th September 2008 - 06:31 PM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1a2bcio8 Posted October 3, 2008 Report Share Posted October 3, 2008 (edited) Really? You seem to be suggesting that everyone is 'hard-wired' to get violent when drunk. I don't think that's the case with me, personally I can't say I've ever felt the need to hit anyone while drunk. I totally accept that my thought patterns and reasoning change, I do stupid and occasionally bad things when I'm drunk but violence never comes into it. I find it hard to believe that you go out, drink and fight, too. Maybe I'm wrong about you.That's not what I said Tomm. What I said was as a potential but more specifically as a potential that can arise within the framework of being human. You are capable of getting angry, of raising your arm and hitting somebody. You can say that so far you haven't done so but that doesn't mean that tomorrow the circumstances or conditions might change leading you to do so. You might find out that your girlfriend killed your parents with a toothbrush leading you to punch her. Such conditions make the occurence more likely, as does alcohol.However, I'm sure that you don't get violent and neither do I. I'm not out to justify that type of behaviour. That's not my motivation which is only to try and clarify how I think a situation stands regardless of if we like it or not. Most people won't get violent on alcohol but this doesn't change the fact that alcohol increases the likelihood of violence occuring when it might have otherwise not occured. In becoming a part of a process it changes the process but this works along a spectrum of potential which is relative to all other variables involved in a given situation. Edited October 3, 2008 by Ben Rowlands Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spider Lad Posted October 3, 2008 Report Share Posted October 3, 2008 (edited) So, by your reasoning, would I be right in assuming that you'd be in favour of, for example, reducing the severity of sentences for people who commit crimes whilst under the influence of alcohol. After all, it is partly to blame. Edited October 3, 2008 by Spider Lad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1a2bcio8 Posted October 4, 2008 Report Share Posted October 4, 2008 So, by your reasoning, would I be right in assuming that you'd be in favour of, for example, reducing the severity of sentences for people who commit crimes whilst under the influence of alcohol. After all, it is partly to blame. My ethical judegements in terms of the law regarding the influence of alcohol on behaviour aren't really relevant to the point I was making against you. Ethical judgements follow the facts, they have nothing to do with the facts, per se. It was the latter part that I was discussing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spider Lad Posted October 4, 2008 Report Share Posted October 4, 2008 If you sidestep any further I think you might fall off that flat planet of yours. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1a2bcio8 Posted October 4, 2008 Report Share Posted October 4, 2008 (edited) If you sidestep any further I think you might fall off that flat planet of yours.Oh, the irony. Do you actually even try to read/understand what I say? Edited October 4, 2008 by Ben Rowlands Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Harrison Posted October 4, 2008 Report Share Posted October 4, 2008 If you sidestep any further I think you might fall off that flat planet of yours. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spider Lad Posted October 5, 2008 Report Share Posted October 5, 2008 (edited) The ironing is delicious.I see this more like sport fishing than dueling, if you catch my drift. Edited October 5, 2008 by Spider Lad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BONGO Posted October 5, 2008 Report Share Posted October 5, 2008 is this a big word competition?The arsonist, has odly shaped feet. This thread has gone down the pan and come back up, and possibly gone down again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davetrials Posted October 5, 2008 Author Report Share Posted October 5, 2008 the blood came out of my shirt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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