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Tnite I Saw A Guy Get A Bottle To The Face


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I feel the need to say it before someone else says otherwise. Alcohol does not cause this, being an arsehole causes this.

If alcohol was the problem then everyone who got drunk would cause trouble, as it happens it's just arseholes.

There's not so much of a drink problem in the UK as there is an arsehole problem.

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I feel the need to say it before someone else says otherwise. Alcohol does not cause this, being an arsehole causes this.

If alcohol was the problem then everyone who got drunk would cause trouble, as it happens it's just arseholes.

There's not so much of a drink problem in the UK as there is an arsehole problem.

I totally agree. I've been drunk plenty of times and I never turn into an arsehole. I think people use it as an excuse to be the arsehole that they really are deep down.

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I feel the need to say it before someone else says otherwise. Alcohol does not cause this, being an arsehole causes this.

If alcohol was the problem then everyone who got drunk would cause trouble, as it happens it's just arseholes.

There's not so much of a drink problem in the UK as there is an arsehole problem.

It's not really fair to blame just one element. In the absence of alcohol, it may not have happened but somehat like you say, in the absence of an arsehole also, it may not have happened. The end consequence is dependent on both parts really. It's the same with guns.

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It depends where on the bottle it hits and where in the face/head, ive been knocked unconscious by being hit on the top of the head with the very bottom of a champagne bottle that didnt smash, if your getting hit in the top of the head you want it to smash, if your getting hit in the face id happily take geting a raw bruise if it didnt than the f**kload of blood youd get if it smashed.

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i once bet my mate £50 that he couldnt smash a magners bottle on his head.

that was £50 down the drain.

meh never been bottled, seen it happen plenty of times, had a broken glass shoved me arm though, also broke me finger stabbing it through beer mats. and wrapped a cue ball into me knucles full belt.

ah pub injuries for you.

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It's not really fair to blame just one element. In the absence of alcohol, it may not have happened but somehat like you say, in the absence of an arsehole also, it may not have happened. The end consequence is dependent on both parts really. It's the same with guns.

I don't think you're looking at it carefully enough. Without arseholes this would never happen. Without alcohol arseholes would, I'm sure, soon enough find something else destructive to do.

It's not a simple 50/50 split of blame. If faced with the choice of removing alcohol from society or removing arseholes, I know which I'd choose.

Again I see you're pretending to be diplomatic to a fault because you like to cause a stir, well done you.

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I don't think you're looking at it carefully enough. Without arseholes this would never happen. Without alcohol arseholes would, I'm sure, soon enough find something else destructive to do.

It's not a simple 50/50 split of blame. If faced with the choice of removing alcohol from society or removing arseholes, I know which I'd choose.

Again I see you're pretending to be diplomatic to a fault because you like to cause a stir, well done you.

I never said it was a 50/50 split and there are way more variables involved than just alcohol and personality. What I was getting at was your attempt to negate alcohol as a causative aspect of this type of event. I think if people didn't drink alcohol then less things like this would happen - that's not to say they wouldn't happen at all. In the same sense that if people didn't drink and drive, less driving accidents would occur. I think that you're oversimplifying the situation and playing a dangerous game by trying to separate interdependent elements within an event.

I know plenty of people whom I highly respect off alcohol but to whom I have very different opinions of them on. What you've got to realise is that 'aresholness' isn't an inherent quality- people are processes and consequently can go from being a nice person one moment to a not so nice one the next. People can be arseholing but they are never really arseholes. The latter implies the possession of some unchanging thing which isn't really correct. Alcohol increases the liklihood of 'arseholing' because it changes who you are in a given moment. You and the alcohol form a new process. I know I've really regretted some actions I never would have performed in its absence.

And by the way, this is a public forum whereby if you put forward an opinion, you should probably expect people to respond with theirs. It has nothing to do with creating a stir otherwise you might as well imply that any difference of opinion expressed between people relates to attempting a "stir". I was motivated by your statement that people blame alcohol in these situations when really its the person regardless of alcohol.

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Alcohol is infact not part of the cause as you are suggesting. I would consider it to be a catalyst. Remove the catalyst and another can surely be found, remove the subject/cause and the problem is eliminated. That being my point.

I believe there's alot of truth in the saying: "A drunken mind speaks sober thoughts". When under the influence of alcohol people become less inhibited and are therefore more likely to act on thoughts that already fill their minds be it through speaking aloud or with actions.

I get the impression that you often lose touch with what you actually believe and let your ability for reasoned debate defeat you, by arguing the case for any side regardless, just to assert some small victory on your behalf. I think you failed to see the point of my original post, which is that morons just accept that it must be alcohol that causes all these problems not the small number of idiots themselves that behave badly. You dig?

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I think that Ben just likes a good debate, more than actually arguing HIS point. Which is fair enough?

Don't forget about the element of confounding. Perhaps arseholes drink alcohol to exonerate them from the blame of being an arsehole?

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I believe there's alot of truth in the saying: "A drunken mind speaks sober thoughts". When under the influence of alcohol people become less inhibited and are therefore more likely to act on thoughts that already fill their minds be it through speaking aloud or with actions.

To be honest this is where the problem is I am not an arsehole (please note this is Tori not Nick ;)) but I will sometimes be sat having a conversation with people think "Oh my this guy is a complete idiot he derseves a good kicking." of course I never do, it just isn't polite. However many people also think this and under the influence of alcohol that voices that says "No." isn't quite as loud as the one saying "Kick him".

I believe that alchol does provoke violence in otherrwise perfectly lovely people, maybe you see it as a catalyst and in many cases you maybe completely justified but I think in many other cases it is a direct causes.

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I think that Ben just likes a good debate, more than actually arguing HIS point.

That's what I was getting at, yeah.

Maybe not the best comparison but for example, cars don't cause accidents, it's the situations in which they are put which results in an accident. The mere existence of the car or being in it are not enough to create an accident.

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but I will sometimes be sat having a conversation with people think "Oh my this guy is a complete idiot he derseves a good kicking." of course I never do, it just isn't polite. However many people also think this and under the influence of alcohol that voices that says "No." isn't quite as loud as the one saying "Kick him".

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I won't lie, I go out with a lot of rugby player who all like a bit of a scrap when theyr'e drunk, but not bottles and shit

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