nathie wafie Posted September 16, 2008 Report Share Posted September 16, 2008 Hey guysi just got a 04 pitbull frame, and currently hve a 2007 GU tp stock, im a Damon W bummer so love the GU, but, i like the retro looks of the pitbull!!what would you people recoomend i stick with, i guess my riding style comes into it, so any advice appreciatedcheers nath Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forteh Posted September 16, 2008 Report Share Posted September 16, 2008 Hey guysi just got a 04 pitbull frame, and currently hve a 2007 GU tp stock, im a Damon W bummer so love the GU, but, i like the retro looks of the pitbull!!what would you people recoomend i stick with, i guess my riding style comes into it, so any advice appreciatedcheers nathArent they completely different BB heights? IIRC the old pitbulls are no more than +10 bb? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nathie wafie Posted September 16, 2008 Author Report Share Posted September 16, 2008 yeah completly different!!i ride TGS, but def progressing lines into my riding now!!so whats better suited??btw what evers left will be forsale hehe nath Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Dark Posted September 16, 2008 Report Share Posted September 16, 2008 i rode an 04 pitbull and loved it; but they're completely different bikes! you cant compare them even remotely, ...every part of the geo ( apart from the headtube angle ) will ve completely different....judst build both up to see what you prefer or take into account what your riding style is.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forteh Posted September 16, 2008 Report Share Posted September 16, 2008 FWIW I changed from a +55 to +25 bb and its so much nicer to ride*, it sits on the back wheel just as well but its nicer to gap and go to front on, its also more stable *the fact the bike weighs a smidgen over 9kg compared to 12kg probably helps Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nathie wafie Posted September 16, 2008 Author Report Share Posted September 16, 2008 i rode an 04 pitbull and loved it; but they're completely different bikes! you cant compare them even remotely, ...every part of the geo ( apart from the headtube angle ) will ve completely different....judst build both up to see what you prefer or take into account what your riding style is....ok m8, i know most tgs guys would prefer the GU, but im tad bored of it, cheers nath Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sponge Posted September 16, 2008 Report Share Posted September 16, 2008 Yeah I'm also wondering about the benefits of going from +60mm to +10mm. Aside from backwheel comfort, how'd other things fare? Would a +10mm feel too 'sluggish' to manouevre around? Last thing I'd want is a bike that feels like a truck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Dark Posted September 16, 2008 Report Share Posted September 16, 2008 ok m8, i know most tgs guys would prefer the GU, but im tad bored of it, cheers naththe gu is one of the best tgs style bikes.....and the pitbull was correct me if im wrong one of the best street trials bikes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nathie wafie Posted September 16, 2008 Author Report Share Posted September 16, 2008 I just find it hard to manual my GU, and when i do, i think it looks funny, i guess ive out grown ny TGS phase now, so i think il start riding proper trials on the pitbull hehebut i may change my mind yet just one more thing before i pee to many peeps off, i got a chris king classic on echo 07 rear wheel, and a rear hope pro2 o7 on tryallive had so many peeps moan that kings are just over hypd, but mine seems ok, ATM!!so whats the fuss about??ive had more problems with the hope!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Dark Posted September 16, 2008 Report Share Posted September 16, 2008 I just find it hard to manual my GU, and when i do, i think it looks funny, i guess ive out grown ny TGS phase now, so i think il start riding proper trials on the pitbull hehebut i may change my mind yet just one more thing before i pee to many peeps off, i got a chris king classic on echo 07 rear wheel, and a rear hope pro2 o7 on tryallive had so many peeps moan that kings are just over hypd, but mine seems ok, ATM!!so whats the fuss about??ive had more problems with the hope!!well alot of it is, apparently, that you either get a good king or a bad king...they're either awesome and never skip....or are kak and do full rotation skips and eat parts..... having never had one ( although am hoping to invest in one ) im not particularly sure Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sponge Posted September 16, 2008 Report Share Posted September 16, 2008 Sorry to hijack, but Would someone please dive into a bit of detail for me, explaining the major differences between a super low BB like +10 and a high one like +60? I know all the basic theory, I hope, but maybe some up-to-date revision would help. I would like my bike to be able to pull up to manual/bunny comfortably... something which my +60mm Typhoon won't allow.Would backwheel control feel much worse on a +10? how about other stuff like gaps, upping, sidehops? and general manouvreability? Would +10mm feel heavy and sluggish to trundle about on natural?Thanks in advance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Dark Posted September 16, 2008 Report Share Posted September 16, 2008 (edited) Sorry to hijack, but Would someone please dive into a bit of detail for me, explaining the major differences between a super low BB like +10 and a high one like +60? I know all the basic theory, I hope, but maybe some up-to-date revision would help. I would like my bike to be able to pull up to manual/bunny comfortably... something which my +60mm Typhoon won't allow.Would backwheel control feel much worse on a +10? how about other stuff like gaps, upping, sidehops? and general manouvreability? Would +10mm feel heavy and sluggish to trundle about on natural?Thanks in advanceplus 60 is , in my opinion too extreme bb height for a stock.....you get more backwheel control, as your weights farther back on the bike ( therefore closer to the rear axle, similar to having shorter chainstays ), but, the front ends harder to lift, your centre of gravity is far higher, bunnyhops are extremely hard...manuals are nigh on impossiblebackwheel control would be quite as lot harder, although if you have a modern stock with 375-380cs and a light front end this might not be too much of a problem.... ive had a +10 coust, a +10 pitbull and a +25 zenith.....the backwheel control is so much easier on the znith , but the 5mm shorter chainstays on the pitbull compared to the coust changed the backwheel handling a lot.With plus 10 you're obviously, say, 5cm lower down from the ledge so rthats an obvious disadvantage... i think taps, bunnyhops manuals etc are better on low bb........and sidehops and static backwheeling is easier on a higher bb+10 definitely does feel heavier to handle, although this can also be attributed to longer cs and longer wheelbase and actual weight and so can be combated.Edit: oh great tarty adam's reading....i think im going to get majorly corrected Edited September 16, 2008 by Alex Dark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nathie wafie Posted September 16, 2008 Author Report Share Posted September 16, 2008 plus 60 is , in my opinion too extreme bb height for a stock.....you get more backwheel control, as your weights farther back on the bike ( therefore closer to the rear axle, similar to having shorter chainstays ), but, the front ends harder to lift, your centre of gravity is far higher, bunnyhops are extremely hard...manuals are nigh on impossiblebackwheel control would be quite as lot harder, although if you have a modern stock with 375-380cs and a light front end this might not be too much of a problem.... ive had a +10 coust, a +10 pitbull and a +25 zenith.....the backwheel control is so much easier on the znith , but the 5mm shorter chainstays on the pitbull compared to the coust changed the backwheel handling a lot.With plus 10 you're obviously, say, 5cm lower down from the ledge so rthats an obvious disadvantage... i think taps, bunnyhops manuals etc are better on low bb........and sidehops and static backwheeling is easier on a higher bb+10 definitely does feel heavier to handle, although this can also be attributed to longer cs and longer wheelbase and actual weight and so can be combated.Edit: oh great tarty adam's reading....i think im going to get majorly corrected i think that sounds spot on m8!! (or we both wrong lol)manualing is soooo hard on my GU, but i can keep it going well, just wen i try the pitbull 2night i think ill be pleasently suprised how much easier it is!!!is there some sort of hatered for high bb bikes atm?? there time been and gone now?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sponge Posted September 16, 2008 Report Share Posted September 16, 2008 Ah ok thanks,I'm thinking of going to a +10mm Coust. Specifically how did they handle? OK for bunnys/manuals? Sluggish? Oh and how do they handle with beatings/dentings? The V1s were pretty easily crushable, how did your +10 fair?Cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greetings Posted September 16, 2008 Report Share Posted September 16, 2008 I'd say neither. The TP is a horrible frame, the old Zoo has pretty out of date geometry - the rear end is really long from what I remember.Why not get something else like a Control? They're amazing all round frames. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grant_hundley Posted September 16, 2008 Report Share Posted September 16, 2008 well alot of it is, apparently, that you either get a good king or a bad king...they're either awesome and never skip....or are kak and do full rotation skips and eat parts..... having never had one ( although am hoping to invest in one ) im not particularly sureits not down to random ones failing... its down to the users not knowing wtf goes on inside the king..they'll run it with the thick lube that comes in it and it might skip, which causes wear to the teeth, then it'll get worse and worse... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Dark Posted September 16, 2008 Report Share Posted September 16, 2008 Ah ok thanks,I'm thinking of going to a +10mm Coust. Specifically how did they handle? OK for bunnys/manuals? Sluggish? Oh and how do they handle with beatings/dentings? The V1s were pretty easily crushable, how did your +10 fair?CheersBrilliant frames, loved mine to bits and its still going strong....had about 15 owners and is pretty damn hardy...mines got about 10 dents ( at least ) some are about 2cm deep, manuals are okay on it with some risers / monty style bars and a shrotish / high stemI'd say neither. The TP is a horrible frame, the old Zoo has pretty out of date geometry - the rear end is really long from what I remember.Why not get something else like a Control? They're amazing all round frames.zoo is 1065, 380, 72 , +10 so pretty damn similar to the control its not down to random ones failing... its down to the users not knowing wtf goes on inside the king..they'll run it with the thick lube that comes in it and it might skip, which causes wear to the teeth, then it'll get worse and worse...Okay, just repeating what ive been told in plymouth by other riders, having never had one myself i dont know directly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greetings Posted September 16, 2008 Report Share Posted September 16, 2008 zoo is 1065, 380, 72 , +10 so pretty damn similar to the controlOh right, for some reason I thought it had 390mm stays.Sounds almost identical to the 2004 Pure just with more bb rise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Dark Posted September 16, 2008 Report Share Posted September 16, 2008 Oh right, for some reason I thought it had 390mm stays.Sounds almost identical to the 2004 Pure just with more bb rise.noo....mine was the above geo, nice frames, although i suppose they're a bit outdated now a days compared to a lot of the newer frames Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nathie wafie Posted September 16, 2008 Author Report Share Posted September 16, 2008 I'd say neither. The TP is a horrible frame, the old Zoo has pretty out of date geometry - the rear end is really long from what I remember.Why not get something else like a Control? They're amazing all round frames.whats wrong with TP's??mine seems good??if these two an't any good, what you think??and the coust frames are great!!correct me if im wrong but think stan shaw had one for abit years ago??!!id have one if i could fine one somewhere!!nath Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blaze_ Posted September 16, 2008 Report Share Posted September 16, 2008 It doesn't matter what bike you ride. If you are good, you are good. If you feel bad on the high bb, then ride it for a week and try to get used to it and you will have no problems. It is actually easier for me to make manuals with the high bb, than with the low. Modern frames are all good, you just have to pick something strong if you want to ride hard, or something light if you want to ride normal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason222 Posted September 16, 2008 Report Share Posted September 16, 2008 I don't really think bb height matters that much when manualing, you just have to get used to the differences, and change your technique accordingly. I've had several bikes, +20 control, +35 dob, +45 GU , a saracen mod, and an echo team mod. I can manual them all quite well, except for the DOB, it seemed to flex and twist too much when I was on it...I find with longer frames, to get started you have to use a short pedal stroke, makes it a lot easier. Likewise, learn to pull your arms in when the front comes too low, it's an odd technique, but BMXers use it often. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny@phatworks Posted September 17, 2008 Report Share Posted September 17, 2008 I could not stand my GU Typhoon frame. I have gone back to a 04 Pitbull and finding it a much more well rounded frame as opposed to the GU. Back wheel control in general I have found no major difference, the only clear advantage to the GU I had is when setting up for a sidehop you are much higher up - so its more of a confidence gain rather then the frames geometry benefiting riding as such. They are like Marmite the high BB bikes - you love it or hate it.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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