Z o o !! Posted August 16, 2008 Report Share Posted August 16, 2008 Yeah mate spotted this ont tartys website? Surely its over priced? http://tartybikes.co.uk/product.php?produc...;category_id=26 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashley-Wood Posted August 16, 2008 Report Share Posted August 16, 2008 Yeah mate spotted this ont tartys website? Surely its over priced? http://tartybikes.co.uk/product.php?produc...;category_id=26im the mate woo lol49mm wide its got to be over priced! surly no1 will buy a rim for this price Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greetings Posted August 16, 2008 Report Share Posted August 16, 2008 The reason for the price is explained in "additional information". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Token Posted August 16, 2008 Report Share Posted August 16, 2008 "Each rim takes 20 minutes of time on a £500,000 machine to make the square holes and also has three spots of weld on the join to ensure maximum durability."Over engineered abit too much perhaps? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave W Posted August 16, 2008 Report Share Posted August 16, 2008 (edited) I was just looking at this and also thinking thats one crazy price for a rim, lol!altho it does say at the bottom of the page:Additional InformationEach rim takes 20 minutes of time on a £500,000 machine to make the square holes and also has three spots of weld on the join to ensure maximum durability.so taking that in to consideration.I no doubt Tarty shall shed some more light,DaveEdit: Beaten to it by, Must be my slow writing. Edited August 16, 2008 by ZeRo - DaVe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashley-Wood Posted August 16, 2008 Report Share Posted August 16, 2008 I was just looking at this and also thinking thats one crazy price for a rim, lol!altho it does say at the bottom of the page:Additional InformationEach rim takes 20 minutes of time on a £500,000 machine to make the square holes and also has three spots of weld on the join to ensure maximum durability.so taking that in to consideration.I no doubt Tarty shall shed some more light,Dave Still just because of the square holes that have been done on an expensive machine, shouldnt mean the price Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
munkee Posted August 16, 2008 Report Share Posted August 16, 2008 Still just because of the square holes that have been done on an expensive machine, shouldnt mean the pricehow else the f**k u expect them to pay for such machines? its like saying why are supercars more expensive to a normal car .... the word super infront of it means the poor f**ker company has had to invest a lot in 1 off design or atleast, small quantities requiring more time and work in to each component. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Nick Riviera Posted August 16, 2008 Report Share Posted August 16, 2008 I'm in for the over engineered vote. if you were that desperate to shed weight, you'd bust out a file, or buy the DOB magnesium rim, which is less than half the price and 100g lighter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N Roach Posted August 16, 2008 Report Share Posted August 16, 2008 People will buy these. Strong, Light and durable. The price is high because the price of manufacturing was high. You want quality, you pay.My opinion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sex_on_wheels Posted August 16, 2008 Report Share Posted August 16, 2008 if you want quality you pay extra for it imo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simpson Posted August 16, 2008 Report Share Posted August 16, 2008 CNC'ed sidewall's blah blah blah, looks like a good bit of kit even at that price. I wouldn't say it was over engineered, if companys like Onza don't go that extra mile to be better than other brands then how do they expect custom? They have engineered something that no-one else on the market offers, no doubt people will buy them, i would be tempted they look absolutly stunning, and from the looks of most peoples bikes there parents have deeper pockets than common sence. The only thing I'm slightly disapointed at is the marketing, Onza brings to mind all the wrong associations for a product of such high quality... maybe Tensile would have been more fitting, I know most people on here would be ashamed to have an Onza part on their bike? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stan Shaw Posted August 16, 2008 Report Share Posted August 16, 2008 Fair point with the engineering costs etc, but I can't see many people forking out £75 for a rim. You can get 2 "normal" rims for the price of one of them! Whip out the angle grinder and cut the inner wall out if u want to save weight, takes 15mins! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
that NBR dude Posted August 16, 2008 Report Share Posted August 16, 2008 (edited) Thing is, the Atomz rear rim is only 499g (64g more than the Onza) yet manages to be less than half the price of the Onza. Sooo what are you paying for exactly...? Edited August 16, 2008 by NBRCycles Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Duck Posted August 16, 2008 Report Share Posted August 16, 2008 Thing is, the Atomz rear rim is only 499g (64g more than the Onza) yet manages to be less than half the price of the Onza. Sooo what are you paying for exactly...?As was pointed out, its the 20mins on an expensive machine that your paying for really... But as the customer, as far as the product is concerned, I see your point.I admire them for being bold enough to do it though. I'll consider a 128 when my current Try-All gives up the ghost. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jandamna Posted August 16, 2008 Report Share Posted August 16, 2008 YAY now i can get stupid priced rims to go with my £150 pedals :http://www.tartybikes.co.uk/product.php?pr...;category_id=23/JanP.s I dont actually own either Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Manning Posted August 16, 2008 Report Share Posted August 16, 2008 Thing is, the Atomz rear rim is only 499g (64g more than the Onza) yet manages to be less than half the price of the Onza. Sooo what are you paying for exactly...?Your paying to have the brand name Onza on your rim and for it to have spent 20 minutes on a £500,000 machine.I think thats value for money Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ogre Posted August 16, 2008 Report Share Posted August 16, 2008 Thing is, the Atomz rear rim is only 499g (64g more than the Onza) yet manages to be less than half the price of the Onza. Sooo what are you paying for exactly...?it looks prety? which means everything. i'd consider them cause there a bit different, if i could afford them is another matter however i'm sure people will buy them on he ground of them being extra pimp. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Burrows Posted August 16, 2008 Report Share Posted August 16, 2008 My rear Echo CNC 05 rim weighs 610g . OK its not 49mm wide, but then I can't honestly say i've ever had problems with tyre roll over the last 3 years of competitions. I think Onza are a bit wide of the mark with these new rims. If I was interested in a lightweight rim, I would not expect it to be that strong so essentially I would see it as a disposable product. Therefore I'd want it to be as cheap and simple as possible. You could buy 2 single wall rims for the price of the pro rim, and they'd be lighter as well. And there was me thinking the Trialtech rims were overpriced for their purpose Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elmo =) Posted August 16, 2008 Report Share Posted August 16, 2008 (edited) Looks mint, and i know what you get for your money is the engineering side of things. But if i wanted somthing light i would take a file to a dob rim, may not be as strong but when one dies i could replace it with another and it would still be the same cost as buying 1 rim, so i think they have gone a bit out of there league. waste of £500,000 if you ask me. Edited August 16, 2008 by Elmo =) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
munkee Posted August 17, 2008 Report Share Posted August 17, 2008 Looks mint, and i know what you get for your money is the engineering side of things. But if i wanted somthing light i would take a file to a dob rim, may not be as strong but when one dies i could replace it with another and it would still be the same cost as buying 1 rim, so i think they have gone a bit out of there league. waste of £500,000 if you ask me.I dont get the argument of.. if i destroy 1 rim ill buy a 2nd and everything will work out cheaper.. when for all u know the onza rim could outlast the next 5 rims you buy.. making it infact a steal at the price. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonMack Posted August 17, 2008 Report Share Posted August 17, 2008 (edited) Theres a shit load of chat about this in the news thread, http://www.trials-forum.co.uk/forum/index....t&p=1669755EDIT: Also the thing is, I run disc brakes, I don't want a brushed sidewall, I want black sidewalls! Why didn't they do that, as was said in the thread, if they had left it with anodized sidewalls, then the rim brake users would grind it off, and the disc brake users would leave it on.I really can't see these being a big seller, but we'll see. Edited August 17, 2008 by Mark King Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greetings Posted August 17, 2008 Report Share Posted August 17, 2008 when for all u know the onza rim could outlast the next 5 rims you buy.. making it infact a steal at the price.Doubt anything that's made for weight can outlast an Echo rim. I guess that if Onza wanted to advertise the durability of these rims, they'd ask riders like Neil and Damon to use them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eskimo Posted August 17, 2008 Report Share Posted August 17, 2008 Rather than making a new topic to moan about how over priced the 'pro series' Onza rims are, here we have a £75 rim without even a name besides 'rear'.Cnc'd machined sidewalls came on budget level rims, welded seems too and square holes also.Paired with another fine example, the Koxx Ti-Nesium pedals. Renamed and priced over £50 more.So yeah, i change my mind, trials is a joke. I don't care if costs have gone up, it's ridiculous.Slate away Plus it's not like the factory had to go out and buy a whole new CNC machine for just this rim, they already had the kit. I think there is a whole lot of mark-up on this rim right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonMack Posted August 17, 2008 Report Share Posted August 17, 2008 (edited) The thing is, it's a catch 22, to make the rims cheaper, they need to make more, but to increase the demand for them so they make more, they need to make them cheaper.It might last the same length of time as 5 normal rims, but who's willing to drop £75 on what is, as far as we can see, an untested rim. I know the Onza team have been using them, but we hear so little about them, that people aren't willing to drop that kinda money on something. With something like Try-All, you know it will have been tested, and you know the big riders who are testing them, with Onza, I know I think Andre, Scott Wilson? and Joe Seddon are on the team, but in all honesty I don't really know how good those guys are (I know they're good enough to be sponsored and win comps, and thats not me saying that I could do any better or ride harder, but I dunno, they rarely bring out videos so you can see their riding, whereas with the Koxx team, you regularly see videos from comps, and also checking the results helps you decide if the products are any good or not). Plus, dropping £35 on a rim is a lot easier to justify than £75. If I drop £35 on a rim and it lasts me 5 rides, yeah I'd be pissed, but £35 doesn't seem so bad, you know, £40 is two twenties in the wallet, not exactly a lot of money, dropping £75 on a rim that lasts 5 rides, I'd be f**king fuming that I had just dropped nearly £100 on a rim, and it died within a few rides. Also they bring out this "lightweight" rim, yet add 50g with eyelets, What's the point in that? I know people do get spokes pull out, but so many manufacturers produce un-eyeletted rims, so you would have thought Onza would have looked at this and gone "Hmm, no one else runs eyelets, and you rarely hear people complaining about the rims on the forum, so lets not bother" Instead they went "We'll just ignore what most manufacturers do and put these eyelets on even though they're not necessary, yeah we're trying to build a light rim, but Onza is a family business, surely that will sell products!", or words to that effect.To sum up:I don't think you'll sell many. Edited August 17, 2008 by Mark King Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny Kearns Posted August 17, 2008 Report Share Posted August 17, 2008 Why would anyone want a 49MM wide rim My 38mm Ronnie is plenty wide enough Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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