Skoze Posted July 29, 2008 Report Share Posted July 29, 2008 (edited) Bought my King headset new from a certain someone on here fairly cheap, more than i'd usually spend on a headset, but a fair bit less than the rrp. I've never had trouble with said person before so i went for it. Seemed ok when it turned up, apart from the fact that the logos on one (maybe both) of the cups were in the wrong place (way too far down on the cup). Whacked it in, seemed fine and didn't think much of it. I changed frames 2 weeks ago and swapped the headset over. As soon as i took the bearing cap off, there was loads of grease in there, previous headsets that i've had have been a little bit greasy/oily when i start taking bits off etc, but this had absolutely loads of it in there. Cleaned it up, put it in the new frame just wouldn't tighten up very well (which is something i'd had problems with before) I had a look and the crown race seems quite loose in the bottom cup.Since day 1 i'd been sceptical about it, and yesterday i was talking to Mr hutley about it, and decided to have a look on the internets when i got home. Found out a bit about the counterfeits, which have the logos on one cup upside down, crap bearings etc... So took mine apart. And it seems that a few things could match up to that of the fake, others don't. Top cap and bearing cap seem to be fine, exactly the same as many of my friends', just the other stuff that i'm a bit concerned about...A few pics: Thanks for any help, i might be wrong but wanted more opinions before shouting my mouth off Matt Edited July 29, 2008 by Skoze Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh PWND Posted July 29, 2008 Report Share Posted July 29, 2008 looks more real than fake Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Token Posted July 29, 2008 Report Share Posted July 29, 2008 The main difference that i can see between the fake an real ones are the red bearing races on the fake and white on the genuine. You've got white bearing race seals so I'm inclined to say that yours is real. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skoze Posted July 29, 2008 Author Report Share Posted July 29, 2008 Yeah, the bearings seem fine, just the cups are what seems a wee bit odd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
munkee Posted July 29, 2008 Report Share Posted July 29, 2008 (edited) i got accused of selling a counterfeit chris king headset (if you search for sale forum it might still be there) But having owned 2 of them previously i know for a fact it wasnt. The guy had taken apart the king i sent him and added in some random part from a fsa pig (yea.. wtf). Looking at those 2 pics Real/Fake.. to me.. they look exactly the same.. jsut one is taken apart and the other isnt.. All this shit about upside down logos etc is just because the 2nd pic has the cups turned up the other way lol.. Edited July 29, 2008 by Spacemunkee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ti-mig-guy Posted July 29, 2008 Report Share Posted July 29, 2008 Look at the font. Both sets have an interesting bump in the top of the N. Looks real to me-but I can't say anything about the internals. Logo is spot on-that would be a pain in the ass to set up. If someone is making fakes this good, I think we would have all heard about it by now. The investment required would dictate that they sell tons of headsets, and most likely other King components IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew_Gibson Posted July 29, 2008 Report Share Posted July 29, 2008 moral of the story....dont buy king.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skoze Posted July 29, 2008 Author Report Share Posted July 29, 2008 (edited) haha , think i've had too much time to think about things today Some parts seem utterly fine, but a few don't quite seem so brilliant, and is a general pain in the metaphorical anus.Pretty sure it's just me having too much spare time!!Matt Edited July 29, 2008 by Skoze Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew_Gibson Posted July 29, 2008 Report Share Posted July 29, 2008 if it works what does it matter if its a king or a fsa?? (fsa is cheaper and better though) Just would never spend over £40 on a head set, most if ever spend is £22, still going strong today....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al_Fel Posted July 29, 2008 Report Share Posted July 29, 2008 The main difference that i can see between the fake an real ones are the red bearing races on the fake and white on the genuine. You've got white bearing race seals so I'm inclined to say that yours is real.The white bit is a nylon washer that goes on last. It looks fake to me. Proper king bearings have black seals with stainless steel split rings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skoze Posted July 29, 2008 Author Report Share Posted July 29, 2008 Yurp. Anyone know how thick the split rings are? These are uber thin, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al_Fel Posted July 29, 2008 Report Share Posted July 29, 2008 what colour was the grease in the bearings? Proper king stuff it jizzy white. The split rings on kings are pretty thin like. what does your crown race look like? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skoze Posted July 29, 2008 Author Report Share Posted July 29, 2008 Was a kinda clear green if my memory serves me correctly, will have another look in the morning, i'm shattered! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al_Fel Posted July 29, 2008 Report Share Posted July 29, 2008 was it new or second hand? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skoze Posted July 30, 2008 Author Report Share Posted July 30, 2008 Twas new, but came from China Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walker Posted July 30, 2008 Report Share Posted July 30, 2008 If the bottom race wont fit in the cup correctly then its more likely to be either your frame or your forks that aren't faced properly. I had the smae problem with my Leeson frame with a Specialities TA headset that Clive sent me. Instead of getting the fork crown and headtube faced i just sent the headset back and bought a Cane Creek £8 jobbie as i dont see there being any need for an expensive headset as trialsbikes rarely get muddy/exposed to harsh weather.I wouldn't assume that your headset is fake, it really does look genuine, the problem that you have is more likely that fact that your headset is machined too accurately to allow a less than perfect fork and headtube surfaces.Andrew Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skoze Posted July 30, 2008 Author Report Share Posted July 30, 2008 Yeah most things seem fine on it, just the bottom racey thing is quite loose in the cup. The forks will either rock around like a beeatch, or if it's tight enough to stop rocking around, it's really stiff.Meh, it works (just). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaRtZ Posted July 30, 2008 Report Share Posted July 30, 2008 But its pissing grease after 2 weeks?Anyother king owners had that problem? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skoze Posted July 30, 2008 Author Report Share Posted July 30, 2008 (edited) Pics for the anal one.BottomTopBit of a mess Edited July 30, 2008 by Skoze Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
that NBR dude Posted July 30, 2008 Report Share Posted July 30, 2008 I thought King headsets used sealed cartridge bearings?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdamR28 Posted July 30, 2008 Report Share Posted July 30, 2008 I thought King headsets used sealed cartridge bearings??They do, they are cartridge bearings Looks real to me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skoze Posted July 30, 2008 Author Report Share Posted July 30, 2008 Cool beans Got a bit thrown by the way the logos are so off compared to any other i've seen, that and it being a general pain to get working right.Any smart ideas on why it's intent on loosing quite so much grease? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
that NBR dude Posted July 30, 2008 Report Share Posted July 30, 2008 They do, they are cartridge bearings Looks real to me Oh I thought with sealed cartridge bearings, you couldn't actually see the individual bearings themselves, and were fully contained. Maybe I'm thinking of something else... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdamR28 Posted July 30, 2008 Report Share Posted July 30, 2008 Yeah that's right, but as with all cartridge bearings, you can take the seals out.Any smart ideas on why it's intent on loosing quite so much grease?They are highly packed at first, with use the grease moves to the parts where it needs to be and the excess splurges out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
that NBR dude Posted July 30, 2008 Report Share Posted July 30, 2008 Yeah that's right, but as with all cartridge bearings, you can take the seals out.Ahh thats why it looked odd. My bad, ignore me... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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