totaltrials Posted July 24, 2008 Report Share Posted July 24, 2008 So you may have seen on the news today that Isps are cracking down on illegal downloads including file sharing in the form of limewire, torrents etc.Bbc newsSo does anybody know the deal with this? How do the isps know you're illegally downloading? Or do they just guess if they see your downloading a lot of stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaRtZ Posted July 24, 2008 Report Share Posted July 24, 2008 ...lame Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonMack Posted July 24, 2008 Report Share Posted July 24, 2008 Good job I use rapidshare and weblogs/forums for all my downloading.Most are passworded .rar archives anyway so it's semi-hard to get into them, but yeah.f**k limewire and torrents. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny Kearns Posted July 24, 2008 Report Share Posted July 24, 2008 Good job I use rapidshare and weblogs/forums for all my downloading.Most are passworded .rar archives anyway so it's semi-hard to get into them, but yeah.f**k limewire and torrents.QUOTED FOR TRUTH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Token Posted July 24, 2008 Report Share Posted July 24, 2008 I'm not too sure how effective this is going to be, it says Six of biggest ISPs have signed up. But surely those ISPs will notice a hoard of users just moving to an ISP that wont penalise you for downloading illegally? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hendrix Posted July 24, 2008 Report Share Posted July 24, 2008 The fact is, they can't know what you're downloading unless they look. They can only assume - oh, he's downloaded 30gb this month, he must be doing illegal downloading.Again - they're gonna hit a few people, make a point, then bugger off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bondy Posted July 24, 2008 Report Share Posted July 24, 2008 (edited) The fact is, they can't know what you're downloading unless they look. They can only assume - oh, he's downloaded 30gb this month, he must be doing illegal downloading.Again - they're gonna hit a few people, make a point, then bugger off.I'm sure that theyve been saying this all year and most years before this, its just another scare tactic so that the a few people will go "oh shit i better stop downloading"Like said above, they can only monitor the amount of traffic not actually look at your packets of data as it breaches some type of confidentiality, so basically they are just going to rape the users that actually use the service to the limits they are paying for whether it be legally or illegally.It's not as though they dont throttle our speeds enough like hell anywayAlso there are several music artists out there who have literally gone and put up there songs onto torrent sites to be downloaded, so is downloading them legally going to be classed as illegal because its file sharing Edited July 24, 2008 by Bondy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hendrix Posted July 24, 2008 Report Share Posted July 24, 2008 They can't rape you without proof, and for proof they need a court warrant to look at exactly what you've been downloading.Btw - there's a way to speed up your internet, and BT aren't happy about it . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonMack Posted July 24, 2008 Report Share Posted July 24, 2008 Do tell? I'm on BT, could do with more speed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
totaltrials Posted July 24, 2008 Author Report Share Posted July 24, 2008 I'm sure that theyve been saying this all year and most years before this, its just another scare tactic so that the a few people will go "oh shit i better stop downloading"Like said above, they can only monitor the amount of traffic not actually look at your packets of data as it breaches some type of confidentiality, so basically they are just going to rape the users that actually use the service to the limits they are paying for whether it be legally or illegally.I thought that as well, with them not being able to check what your actually downloading. But I'm not sure this time around because the Government is involved, so I'm not sure if they've changed something meaning they can look to see what your doing exactly.Also, where would you stand if you download loads, but you just said you download a lot of legal content, it sounds like people aren't going to have any rights or justice if they get warnings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fixed Pants™ Posted July 24, 2008 Report Share Posted July 24, 2008 A O L F T W. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadManMike Posted July 24, 2008 Report Share Posted July 24, 2008 A O L F T W.S A R C A S M F T W?AOL are worse than a bag of rusty nails.On topic, I think they are bringing out new laws making snooping much easier for the providers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hendrix Posted July 24, 2008 Report Share Posted July 24, 2008 They probably will, but if you protect your PC enough, surely they have no chance?They'll only have records. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fixed Pants™ Posted July 24, 2008 Report Share Posted July 24, 2008 AOL, 8mb, i'm paying for 2mb as they gave me the upgrade free. Only once has my line f**ked up. And that was fixed in 48 hours. Always get 6mb and i'm not particularly close to the exchange. And, AOL aren't part of the crack down.What more could you want? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Boswell Posted July 24, 2008 Report Share Posted July 24, 2008 This always makes me laugh! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chan_Nai-ming Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fixed Pants™ Posted July 24, 2008 Report Share Posted July 24, 2008 (edited) Why's that funny?Hendrix, i don't even use AOL software. Edited July 24, 2008 by Fat Pants™ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hendrix Posted July 24, 2008 Report Share Posted July 24, 2008 I know, I don't recall that you have to anymore as well.It's just - when every anyone says AOL - reminds me of a] those adverts with her and b] the free disks through the post.haha. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boswell Posted July 24, 2008 Report Share Posted July 24, 2008 Why's that funny?Hendrix, i don't even use AOL software.He went to prision for downloading 3 films! How many of us here have done that!? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Extreme_biker0 Posted July 24, 2008 Report Share Posted July 24, 2008 Why not use your own ISP's newsgroups? Might only have a few weeks retention but good for a LOT of stuff. And because it's on their own servers, not the internet, it's blazing fast.But the icing on the cake? Because it's their own servers, they're VERY unwilling to say whether the stuff being downloaded is legal or illegal, because if they say it's illegal stuff you're downloading, then they're liable for having it on their servers in the first place and 'making it available for download' which is the terminology used to prosecute file sharers at the minute.They get away with it at the moment by saying that they are 'common carriers' of the content, like a tv network is not responsible for one of it's channels infringing copyright; that's the channels fault even though the network broadcast it. That's becasue the network broadcasts the stuff *no matter what*. If it started identifying illegal stuff that it was broadcasting, as opposed to just broadcasting it all, that makes it its own fault.No ISP wants to be the one to open that can of legal worms, as it is expensive.You're scotch free, for now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hendrix Posted July 24, 2008 Report Share Posted July 24, 2008 Customers who illegally share music will get warning letters Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fixed Pants™ Posted July 24, 2008 Report Share Posted July 24, 2008 He went to prision for downloading 3 films! How many of us here have done that!? No, he uploaded them, which is much worse. That's definitely something I stay away from, as it means you're the cause of thousands of other people getting it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anzo Posted July 24, 2008 Report Share Posted July 24, 2008 I wondered how long it would be before this came up in the news again...slow news day perhaps.There is little they can do to the 'small time' downloaders; fair enough they can monitor your internet activity and get your IP address, and only the ISP will know who had that IP address at that particular time. Thanks to the Data Protection Act they cannot give out these details without a court hearing to see if distrubting the details is worthy - a rather time consuming and expensive process, especially when most UK pirates will settle with an out of court claim (in previous cases around £2-5k).Court action is carried out to 'reclaim' the losses of the producers; however becuase the file is downloaded, it is impossble to estimate how many people have downloaded it and how much the company has lost out on. This is why out of court claims are considerably low.The one thing that concerns me about this is who do they decide to act on and who not to. A good percentage download music illegally; so who is the more guilty party, the file host or the downloader?Takes this piss a bit really, considering all the child pornography on the internet and they're f**king about over people downloading f**king U2 songs... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadManMike Posted July 24, 2008 Report Share Posted July 24, 2008 so who is the more guilty party, the file host or the downloader?I guess both parties are equally as bad, without downloaders nobody would host, without hosts nobody would download...I guess it depends on the severity - I mean if you download two tracks because you can't find them in the shops, is that as bad as the guy that is hosting a 120gb collection of albums? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomm Posted July 25, 2008 Report Share Posted July 25, 2008 They can't rape you without proof, and for proof they need a court warrant to look at exactly what you've been downloading.You don't half chat some shit. My housemate got a letter from NTL telling him to stop downloading illegal stuff - they do a three strike sort of thing. The letter said the exact day, date, time he broke the law and what was downloaded (the specific track). So obviously we'll be changing from NTL when we get a chance... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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