Dispute

[Fixed Pants™]

Basically, i bought a set of tensiles and a try-all freewheel from someone on here (not mentioning names because i'm not pointing the finger) They were put in a jiffy bag, loose, just clunking around, when i went to fit the freewheel, i greased the threads, got it perfect on the threads (no resistance), span it a few times and it just went stiff, managed to turn it about 1 more turn, and then i knew something was deffo wrong. Seems to be cross threaded, after a few more turns it was definitely as i thought.

Now, i'm gonna take his word for it and believe that they were fine when he sent them. But i reckon the freewheel (as it was just loose in the jifft bag) could have damaged the threads cos they didn't look great when i took them out of the bag. Reckon a freewheel hitting against the threads on the cranks could have damaged them? They're really fine as you know, and also only aluminium, so i dunno. Would this make it his fault?

I dunno what to do now, apart from fork out more money to get them replaced through supercycles' great half price replacement plan thing.

That, or the other explanation could be that the first few were f**ked and the rest were fine, which suggests they were f**ked when they were sent out.

Views?

Edited July 19, 2008 by Fat Pants™

[Muel]

I'd always wrap things seperately, the freewheel could have done the damage I reckon, I know from dropping an old pair of cranks that the threads get dented/flatted off pretty easily, it was only about 2 foot from the ground, so if something had hit the bag in transit then I would have thought it had done the damage.

[PaRtZ]

hmmm tough one, because your theory COULD be spot on. They could have left the seller in mint condition, and been battered in the post. Then from the sellers point of view, he's not sold dodgy goods but i guess hes at fault for the poor parcelling.

Having said that....I sent a pair of tensiles wrapped in carrier bags, in half a strongbow box, duck taped to hell. The recipient just said thanks a lot, no mention of damage like.

Can't a mutual agreement be reached?

[Skoze]

I highy doubt that the frewheel threads got raped in the post, possibly been the cranks? Did you check it over before they made sexytime?.

It's just one of those things dude, things break! A shitty echo cog raped my first set of tensiles

Have you taken the frewheel off again to check threads?

[Fixed Pants™]

Can't a mutual agreement be reached?

Obviously he doesn't want to do that because he's sure they left him in good cond. He apparently only took the sprocket off a few days before he sold them to me and the threads were fine.

I highy doubt that the frewheel threads got raped in the post

Have you taken the frewheel off again to check threads?

I mean the threads on the cranks. The freewheels probably cromo so they're not gonna get buggered...

Yeah i did take the freewheel off a few times to reattempt to put the freewheel on properly, but no luck.

Muel, the first few did indeed look a bit flat/damaged, so it seems like it was the poor packaging that did it. But that doesn't explain why the first few threads seemed to be right, but cross threaded before hand. Because the rest of the threads were getting f**ked as it screwed on. Like this:

Crank side |||||||||||\\\\ BB side

Edited July 19, 2008 by Fat Pants™

[ZeroMatt]

Needle files + damaged threads = fixed threads

[Fixed Pants™]

It's too late for that The freewheel has been sketchily fitted, hoping it doesn't give way.

[Muel]

Just ride it and hope it doesn't die Fatty.

[Fixed Pants™]

Yeah, then when it does die i can send it off to supercycles and hopefully will have enough money to get it replaced. But still, it's money.

Not being sarcastic here; and i probably won't be able to ride for a few days anyway.

[trials_pimp]

Seeing as you have already butchered it on its too late, but I was going to say if you Sent me your crank arm I could have repaired the threads for you.

Ive got a massive thread repair kit, and failing that I could have repaired it at work.

You going to london? May see you there

[BONGO]

if a thread is damaged part way down, yet is threaded on correctly, 99.9% of the time, it goes tightish, but corrects the thread as it goes, because it forces the damage back into shape. Obviously if it's too damaged, it'll not work liek this, but you could nearly always unscrew it and see the part of the thread causing the blockage, and the part before the blockage. A cross thread that actually destroys something is usually caused at the first turn.

[Fixed Pants™]

Seeing as you have already butchered it on its too late, but I was going to say if you Sent me your crank arm I could have repaired the threads for you.

Ive got a massive thread repair kit, and failing that I could have repaired it at work.

You going to london? May see you there

Bugger. Ah well, just hope it holds up for tomorrow (yes, i am going to London)

if a thread is damaged part way down, yet is threaded on correctly, 99.9% of the time, it goes tightish, but corrects the thread as it goes, because it forces the damage back into shape. Obviously if it's too damaged, it'll not work liek this, but you could nearly always unscrew it and see the part of the thread causing the blockage, and the part before the blockage. A cross thread that actually destroys something is usually caused at the first turn.

Ok so damaged threads it might not be, as that is quite right. But, the first 3 or 4 turns as i said, were fine... Then the rest weren't.

[Token]

I'm not so sure Supercycles will be giving you half price replacement if every care wasn't taken to fit the freewheel correctly. It isn't a manufacturing fault that someones buggered the threads.

Have you asked why the seller removed the freewheel from the crank before he sent it?

[Danny Kearns]

When i brought my Try-all freewheel BRAND NEW and i put it on my used echo 6061 cranks. It did exactly what yours did, First few turns were good, then it went stiff, so i took it off, greased it, did the same again, so i thought f**k it, freewheel tool on, big bar and turn. It went on fine

As far as i know it's still running now, on my zona zip and i sold that like 2 years ago.

Just give it some beans.

[AdamR28]

Reckon a freewheel hitting against the threads on the cranks could have damaged them?

Definitely.

As Bongo said, with some copper grease, the FW should correct the thread... depending on how badly it is damaged. Get a pic up and I should be able to tell you If they are too far gone, we have a die here for cranks so I should be able to chase them over if you need.

[Fixed Pants™]

I'm not so sure Supercycles will be giving you half price replacement if every care wasn't taken to fit the freewheel correctly. It isn't a manufacturing fault that someones buggered the threads.

Have you asked why the seller removed the freewheel from the crank before he sent it?

Phoned them, they said just send it to us under the half price crash replacement thing.

No, not yet, but i will do.

When i brought my Try-all freewheel BRAND NEW and i put it on my used echo 6061 cranks. It did exactly what yours did, First few turns were good, then it went stiff, so i took it off, greased it, did the same again, so i thought f**k it, freewheel tool on, big bar and turn. It went on fine

As far as i know it's still running now, on my zona zip and i sold that like 2 years ago.

Just give it some beans.

Yeah, it's all on but still won't be as strong as a normal, unf**ked thing.

Definitely.

As Bongo said, with some copper grease, the FW should correct the thread... depending on how badly it is damaged. Get a pic up and I should be able to tell you If they are too far gone, we have a die here for cranks so I should be able to chase them over if you need.

Hmm, well the freewheel is all the way onto the cranks, so all of the thread is gonna be mashed.

You reckon it'll just end up spinning around the crank one day?

[Danny Kearns]

You reckon it'll just end up spinning around the crank one day?

Like i said, Mine was on deng threads. I was riding it solid for a good 10 months and had no problems and once again, its still going strong after 2 years.

Edited July 19, 2008 by Danny Kearns

[Guest]

mine was as hard to put on as you have described, I was convinced it was cross threaded, then I managed to get it off using an air drill type thing, and it was fine, the threads were not crossed, I attributed it to the fact that the try-all's threads are painted. (or at least aren't raw) once it had been on and off again, it screwed on as easily as any other freewheel i've used....

[Fixed Pants™]

It does definitely look wonky on the thread through.

[Luke Rainbird]

To be fair it sounds like you've done as much/more damage than may have happened in transit, though obviously it always pays to package kit up well for sending (not sure who's sent them here)

Always worth going slow with a decent grease for stuff like this, and if it's recently been sent/stored for a while it really helps to ensure the threads are cleaned before trying to fit parts

See also: "not sure if it's worth a new thread but ah well"

You unintentional comedian you!

[Fishy]

Get some pro pics up.

[Fish-Finger-er]

Basically, i bought a set of tensiles and a try-all freewheel from someone on here (not mentioning names because i'm not pointing the finger) They were put in a jiffy bag, loose, just clunking around, when i went to fit the freewheel, i greased the threads, got it perfect on the threads (no resistance), span it a few times and it just went stiff, managed to turn it about 1 more turn, and then i knew something was deffo wrong. Seems to be cross threaded, after a few more turns it was definitely as i thought.

your right, this aint worth a dispute really, theres nothing to say what happened.

i.e if youd got them, hadnt put a freewheel near them, and looked at the threads, and thought "hmmm, theyre a bit bodged" and took some pics, then maybe.

but as it is, they may of been cross threaded by you,there may of been some crap in/on the threads, or maybe there was a bit of grit in your grease. who knows.

also once you knew something was deffo wrong, you probably should of unwound it, and looked at the threads, and possibly got pics up here.

regardless of whether it was knackered when you bought it or not, im sure you shouldnt have just wound it on further.

if you where in any doubt over it, you should of took it to a bike shop, or maybe spoke to someone who works at a bikeshop, for some advice.

[Fixed Pants™]

also once you knew something was deffo wrong, you probably should of unwound it, and looked at the threads, and possibly got pics up here.

if you where in any doubt over it, you should of took it to a bike shop, or maybe spoke to someone who works at a bikeshop, for some advice.

I phoned him up to ask him if anything was wrong with them, and he reckoned i should just go for it...

Bah, i guess i'm just gonna leave it, and when i don't have any rides coming up, i'll just get it replaced half price when i'm in credit.

And I work in a bikeshop myself, i am really quite knowledgeable so i didn't really need to ask someone.

Edited July 19, 2008 by Fat Pants™

[Nuke Bowel]

I phoned him up to ask him if anything was wrong with them, and he reckoned i should just go for it...

Bah, i guess i'm just gonna leave it, and when i don't have any rides coming up, i'll just get it replaced half price when i'm in credit.

And I work in a bikeshop myself, i am really quite knowledgeable so i didn't really need to ask someone.

Soooo, why are you asking us

[Luke Rainbird]

I know a guy who worked in a bike shop for quite some time, yet today he failed to build 2 bikes, fit a brake, helicoil a mount... The list goes on

Simply working in a bike shop doesn't necessarily mean much either way